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John Compton: That's for sickening. They're all well, then, you did it one time too many tutorial.

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John Compton: The only reason I don't have trouble is, I do it every day, and I know exactly what she's going to do.

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John Compton: Check out Mr. Bootlegger here. He can't decide if he's a Jim Bean man. It's my niece's my niece.

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John Compton: I was gonna wear my hat. I looked in and saw you were wearing once. If you're gonna wear, I was gonna take it off, I just wearing it. I've been wearing it well, it was really really windy, and I hate like my hair looking. I hate the my hair looking like crazy. So I put the hat on as I was walking from the office to the Metro, and I'm not taking it off. But

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John Compton: yeah, that's a technical, Barbara, how you doing?

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John Compton: Okay.

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John Compton: I'm interested, however.

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John Compton: Now that he's been really, you're the host.

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John Compton: No, no. Oh, okay, he does, most alerts.

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John Compton: Where's the wine. There's some in the fridge. If you want to, I will fall asleep. Can I put it? I'll just put it in here, everybody, I think I have

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John Compton: coffee.

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John Compton: I'm fine. The red's in the refrigerator. No, the red is not. It's on the counter. The white is in the refrigerator. There's in the refrigerator.

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John Compton: Yeah, cookies are on the table, and there's a juice, some kind of juice.

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John Compton: Are there Catholics in there, too, or just pardon me, Catholics, too?

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John Compton: No. Are you serious? Well, no, you did. You came over. That's right. Did you guys remove that big branch? Yeah, we did. When did you do that? Rj, was a ticket. It was bad to see how many big trees

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John Compton: any properties get damaged that we know of

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John Compton: the trucks today. Too many cords.

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John Compton: Oh, yeah. And it was like, I know where stuff once you know where the stuff you bring your family Bible.

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John Compton: So, John, do you have to do the swearing incident? Sorry what was supposed to have have a Mary

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John Compton: Mary sent out an email with 3 docs in it. That's right. I got copies. I have them saved in my computer. But I can find out when I'll tell you.

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John Compton: Yeah, I've been getting emails to some non existent email address. I wonder why I wasn't getting anything

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John Compton: absolutely annual premium they can have for it. Now.

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John Compton: it's just people entering. I can tell you what day it is. I've given somebody we're covered. Okay, cool.

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John Compton: Yeah.

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John Compton: Use iphone as webcam. Mary, the

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John Compton: there you go. Poop. You find it.

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John Compton: What today?

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John Compton: Yeah. But I'm a little bit ahead of myself. I have all Mary's stuff, and it goes back to 4. How is it titled?

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John Compton: Here it is.

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John Compton: Alright. So instead of April

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John Compton: April 12? th Oh, yeah. So that's the one I'm looking at. That's just a proposal you guys have to use better

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John Compton: subjects can't find email when you say you got not exactly specific.

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Kriss Grisham: Hey, John, can you hear me? This is Chris.

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Kriss Grisham: hey? I forgot, this is an in person. Do you want me to do you want me to pack up and head down that way. I'll be there in about 5.

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John Compton: That's good. That's fine. Yeah.

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Kriss Grisham: I'll be right there.

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John Compton: What makes them think it's in person. Hey, John? Thank you very much. Again, that subject was not in the email. Every May we wear hats every may. Yeah, we started the trend today. The only only hat I have are cowboy hats, and I'm not sure they fit into this.

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John Compton: I don't own a baseball cap. Well.

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John Compton: you don't need a hat with your with your hair. So oh, okay, oh, this is a quote.

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John Compton: Yeah, there are 3. 1 1 is their brochure. One is the quote of the

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John Compton: installation of the cans, and the other is the service. Oh, so that 1st one was the price for installation. Yeah, not just the sale. It's not the purchase of them. Yeah. So it's like basically 500 each. And then like $200 to

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John Compton: to put them in, and then the maintenance is, if you do it every other week it's about 17, and if you do it twice every other week the 1st time I looked at them. Because why is this one more? That's a screen saver that pops up

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John Compton: current opinions. Oh.

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John Compton: it is really cool. They're all cool, and then they go away before I can. I never look at it.

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John Compton: I mean, we'll just say we get that far. Got it.

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John Compton: That's correct.

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John Compton: But

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John Compton: yes, you might. Well, it's just about what they look like. Yeah, that's 1 that's it. That one you probably need to show, because that shows a picture of the difference.

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John Compton: This is the price of why don't they have the commander in chief? I would think they would be named after John like the one would be the Scotty, you know. One would be the little one, you know the Great Dane, and it was like the full service, like the business.

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John Compton: but it's every other week in the total. Well, I would be

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John Compton: okay. You're a host. So it's fine.

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John Compton: Make sure it works. I mean.

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John Compton: no, what is the name of the network?

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John Compton: It does come up. It doesn't just come up

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John Compton: the Town Hall Town Hall, but I thought there was no password open one. It's the same.

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John Compton: the password. What is the password? It doesn't ask me for a password. Yeah, it comes up once you go in once. It just remembers it once you've logged in once

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John Compton: we're gonna wait for Chris. So he said, what 5 min

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John Compton: I didn't want it to get lost in the shuffle. Okay, you 2 can't sit next to each other. Can I make a suggestion? Our meeting is supposed to start at 7 30, and it's now 7, 35. He'll be here any minute and we can start. Okay.

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John Compton: where do you want him to sit? You want him over here where I am, and I can put my back to that because I don't care, or you can sit over there. Yeah, just over there.

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John Compton: You want to see just you can wheel that chair over. Okay, can everybody? Can everybody hear me? I hope you can hear me online. And here, Christham will be here shortly. But we're going to call the public hearing

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John Compton: on ordinance 2025, dash! Oh, 4.

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John Compton: To order. This is adopting the town budget

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John Compton: for the coming fiscal year. The

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John Compton: It's been available. I can. I should

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John Compton: just point out. And I guess I have to

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John Compton: put it up. Let me do that here.

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John Compton: But you should be able to see the budget. Hopefully, is it big enough?

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John Compton: Just not as good as my there.

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John Compton: Okay, yeah. So as you know the but the the the budget was passed at the annual town meeting.

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John Compton: The total anticipated revenue was $709,000 and 146,000 additional from reserves.

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John Compton: It was anticipated with this budget.

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John Compton: In addition, we're going to be spending from our stormwater management funds which are restricted for that

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John Compton: on top of that budget.

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John Compton: So the other aspect of the budget of of this ordinance is the tax rate.

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John Compton: which

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John Compton: is the constant yield tax rate of 0 point 2 2 7 cents on a hundred dollars of assessed valuation.

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John Compton: Other levies remain the same for

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John Compton: public utility and business property as well. The dwelling tax was set at $212 per dwelling.

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John Compton: Okay, any discussion on this was introduced at the previous meeting.

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John Compton: Any any discussion? I'm sorry anyone here to speak on the public hearing on this.

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John Compton: Anybody online?

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John Compton: Okay.

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John Compton: Since hearing hearing none, we'll call the public hearing to a close. This is kind of a formality, as we all know, and

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John Compton: We'll move on to the the town council meeting. So calling to order, 1st item is approval of the agenda.

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John Compton: and let's see. Address.

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John Compton: You're right here. You missed the public hearing. So the public, the agenda was in the materials. I have only one alteration here.

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John Compton: Apparently I mistaken, named the minutes for approval the march. It's really the April 14.th And in addition, I said, around minutes for March 18, th

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John Compton: meeting, which was the budget work session way back, when

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John Compton: it was pretty pretty straightforward minutes on that.

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John Compton: So let's that. That's pretty much the agenda. Anybody have any additional comments or anything about the agenda?

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John Compton: Let's move to a vote. Then all in favor of approving the agenda. I see unanimous vote. Agenda is approved. Okay, the 1st item on tonight's agenda is council business.

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John Compton: because this is the among other things.

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John Compton: it's the organizing meeting for the fiscal, 12 for the Council, beginning with the May meeting, moving through next April.

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John Compton: So the 1st item of business on that is to administer the oath of office to our 2 elected Council members we'll start with Mary Forfield, who was reelected. Mary, you need to stand and raise your right hand and repeat after me. Okay.

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John Compton: I, Mary Warfield, I, Mary Warfield, you affirm that I will support to affirm that I will support the Constitution of the United States Constitution of the United States, and that I will be faithful, and bear true allegiance, and that I will be faithful, and bear true allegiance to the State of Maryland, to the State of Maryland, and support the constitution and laws thereof, and support the constitution and laws thereof, and that I will and I will.

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John Compton: to the best of my skill and judgment, to the best of my skill and judgment, diligently and faithfully, diligently and faithfully, without partiality or prejudice, without partiality or prejudice, execute the office of counselor, execute the office of counselor, according to the constitution and laws of this State, according to the constitution and laws of this State, and the charter ordinances of the town of Washington Grove and the charter and ordinances of the town of Washington Grove.

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John Compton: Thank you, Mary.

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John Compton: I I also should note that I was. I felt

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John Compton: earlier last last week by the Clerk of Court, which is the 1st step to empower me to

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John Compton: do these. Okay, John, did they say you again by the time I get I come around. They wonder who the hell is. All right. John Porter

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John Compton: elected. So thank you, John. Right hand I, John Porter, I, John Porter, do affirm that I will support the Constitution of the United States to affirm that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and that I will be faithful, and bear true allegiance, and that I will be faithful, and bear true allegiance to the State of Maryland, and support the Constitution and laws thereof to the State of Maryland, and support the Constitution and the laws thereof.

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John Compton: and that I will, and that I will, to the best of my skill and judgment, to the best of my skill and judgment, diligently and faithfully.

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John Compton: diligently, and faithfully, without partiality or prejudice, without partiality or prejudice, execute the office of counselor, execute the office of counselor, according to the constitution and laws of this State, according to the constitution and laws of this State, and the charter and ordinances of the town of Washington Grove and the charter and ordinances of the town of Washington Grove. Okay, welcome to the Council.

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John Compton: Thank you for keeping this short?

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John Compton: All right. So just proceeding on the just reminding counselors and I already. John, our our new counselor, has already had a chance to look into the Council handbook

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John Compton: which we now have online courtesy of Charlie Chalstrom. It isn't entirely up to date, but it's largely indicative and contains a lot of information as to

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John Compton: about the town and about procedures in various aspects.

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John Compton: And if you say, if you need the link for some reason, you've lost it. Just

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John Compton: you know, email, me or one of the other counselors, I'm sure, has it.

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John Compton: The next is to a a review of town revenue sources and town accounts, and Gene Moyer.

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John Compton: Jean, are you here?

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Jean Moyer: I'm here. Been here.

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John Compton: Okay. Can't say I have this up and ready, but we don't really have to go through the whole thing.

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Jean Moyer: You know, John, you're the newbie. So if I go too fast and you have questions later, just let me know.

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John Compton: Alright, so so we're doing. This is the revenue sources right? And.

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Jean Moyer: Understood.

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John Compton: Amazing. I have it now, and

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John Compton: this is for everybody's. There's document. Go ahead.

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Jean Moyer: Yeah. And we had gone through a lot of this with the budget. So it should be somewhat fresh in people's minds. We've got the real property tax. People get their property tax bills as of July first.st They will see real property tax rate that John just

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Jean Moyer: mentioned in the ordinance and the dwelling tax. They will show up on your property tax bill. I have actually tested it and seen it

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Jean Moyer: on mine. So it works

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Jean Moyer: the utility tax. Kind of speaks for itself here. I'm not going to eat, you know. Just read these per verbatim, but each month the county sends me a worksheet that tells me what dollars we are receiving.

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Jean Moyer: For all of these different taxes up through the penalties and interest those are all through the county, the State income tax.

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Jean Moyer: you know, we get a big bump in like April, May, June in there. It's where we get our biggest bumps, obviously, as people pay their taxes.

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Jean Moyer: And it's part of my job. With Kathy's help we make sure that the State has up to date Po box numbers and addresses for residents as best as we can know them.

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Jean Moyer: If you scroll a little bit more, John, those are some of the biggest that we get business licenses. Building permits public ways, property. Those are relatively small. During the year

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Jean Moyer: cable television of Verizon and Comcast, we get about 5,000 a year from them. The highway user revenue. We get money because we maintain our own roads that comes in sporadically throughout the year

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Jean Moyer: the county municipal tax duplication.

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Jean Moyer: a mouthful a little complicated to explain. It's a 1 time payment through the county.

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Jean Moyer: So because we have, you know, part of the taxes you pay to the county is for road maintenance.

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Jean Moyer: but the town maintains and pays for its own roads. So the county

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Jean Moyer: basically reimburses the town for the cost of maintaining our roads, so that we do not then turn around and

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Jean Moyer: pull it from our residents, you know.

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Jean Moyer: otherwise they would pay it twice, which is where the word duplication comes in.

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Jean Moyer: The recreation program. User fees for the most part, really is summer in the parks. At this point

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Jean Moyer: our investment earnings we make.

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Jean Moyer: I put a very conservative amount into the budget because nobody knows what will happen with interest rates. We have been quite lucky in the last year making a lot of money. We have 2 Cds. At Sandy Spring Bank.

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Jean Moyer: We have a money market at Pnc. Where our checking account is, and we have the bulk of our savings is in the Maryland local Government Investment Pool, which is very safe money and yields a pretty good rate, a quite good rate. Actually. So we put the bulk of our money there.

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Jean Moyer: Most people are familiar with renting the hall

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Jean Moyer: and contributions and donations. If people

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Jean Moyer: are donating whether it's for summer in the parks, scholarships, women's club donates for some of the town's activities that will go in there.

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Jean Moyer: And the miscellaneous is, as you would think, miscellaneous action hauling. This would be maybe new to John. The folks at Act Action hauling across from the post office. There's a strip of land there, that's the town, and they have a large office kind of trailer there, and we bill them annually.

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Jean Moyer: For use of that land.

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Jean Moyer: And I've put in. This

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Jean Moyer: wasn't in the last time I did this in the other section. When we and this is getting more into accounting Gap principles. The arpa money that we received, as well as the State grant money that we received for the conservation meadow

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Jean Moyer: work. We got the money in advance. We can't call it revenue until we spend it, because spending it effectively demonstrates that we are fulfilling the purpose of that Grant money, and that then allows us to consider it earned. So I tried to be descriptive in my

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Jean Moyer: writing here to make it as understandable to layman as possible and program open space. This is not technically our money. It's not like a bank account, but the State. There's a state program

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Jean Moyer: for any. And and this happened years ago, where we spent money to restore the parks and the playgrounds, and sort of we we got credit for that. There is money sitting there

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Jean Moyer: that we can draw upon.

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Jean Moyer: If we submit a proposal requesting that money, we have to have a very

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Jean Moyer: extremely identified purpose for that money, preferably with the quotes associated to it, so that the the state, then, can see that we are truly using that money for something, and then it goes into the budget request

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Jean Moyer: of the department of Parks, and if they get the budget that they request.

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Jean Moyer: and then can grant us that money, we will receive it. It's so. It's it's definitely you got to jump through a lot of hoops to get that money

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Jean Moyer: that that's my quick rendition.

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Jean Moyer: Any questions.

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John Compton: Hey!

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Jean Moyer: God.

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John Compton: Alright. Thank you.

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John Compton: Alright, I'll stop that share. Go back to the agenda here.

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John Compton: okay, a number, a number of things. I I just wanna mention those the the document is in the materials for the meeting. The

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John Compton: information about the open meeting Acts

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John Compton: act and ethics training resources for municipal leaders. There's a link to a the A, An online.

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John Compton: I said

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John Compton: course exam on the open meeting act, and also a link to a course offered by the University of Maryland

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John Compton: for municipal new municipal

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John Compton: leaders to understand the various aspects of of

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John Compton: of serving in in their capacity. So those you should, you can look at, and if you want to take the the course at Maryland, by all means, let let me, and

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John Compton: well let me know. As far as Oma training goes, as every year I urge.

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John Compton: all of the Council, myself included, and the Planning Commission chair and members and Hpc. To refresh their understanding of the Open meetings. Act by again taking the the certification.

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John Compton: exam. And just so, everyone knows that John Porter has beaten everybody to the punch and already provided his certificate of completion. Thank you, John. What was that your 5th time you took that? Okay?

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John Compton: Then the next item is to for council business is to go over this year's council responsibilities.

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John Compton: there are some minor changes. We have a new Council member, of course.

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John Compton: And I take it you were okay with the lighting committee assignment. Rob. Oh, yeah, that's fine. I actually didn't. Didn't see. But yeah, okay, I'm happy to do that.

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John Compton: and much a a good deal of what the some of the things in the Rec. Committee, and particularly in the playground area, involve. Rj. So he requested that he do the Rec committee, and currently the playground

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John Compton: Alright. So those are are the the assignments.

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John Compton: So the Council needs to appoint the Council representative on the Planning Commission, and I propose that Peter continue in that role.

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John Compton: Then, in that case we'll have to come back with it, or we could just say the agenda. There was a motion to approve the agenda and a second or something. Yeah, I think I was going. I was, gonna look who did that? Okay, there was, and that's what I do when I don't bother to go in and do it.

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Jean Moyer: Hello here!

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Jean Moyer: Just I think it's about 2 things beyond the notes that I put in it. I do hope that we will spend if you scroll down a tiny bit more some of the Arpa money on the Stormwater project. Hopefully, we'll get something spent.

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Jean Moyer: I think it's only through March and what I do to validate the kilowatt and credit dollars on that is, I trace the numbers into our pepco bill.

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Jean Moyer: It's typical that community solar is about a 2 month lag, but it's been lagging much more than that, despite my asking for the invoices.

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Jean Moyer: The electricity in the municipal buildings section covers the garage and the hall. 2 of the 3 accounts. So we look rather underspent in electricity, and that is why? Because we have not paid Skyview since October.

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Jean Moyer: That hopefully will come in this before the fiscal year ends the the 3rd account is in the Lake Section, but it's minor compared to what shows up in the hall. I do track it at how it compares what we spend this year versus the equivalent. 12 months prior before we had community solar, and I can say that we are saving a bit of money, not huge money.

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Jean Moyer: And once I get these invoices all corrected, I'll have a better handle on that. But I do track it to see if community solar is saving us money as well as doing us good for the environment.

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Jean Moyer: I think those were the 2 main comments on the treasurer's report. Next week I'll be starting to hit heavy into hiring season.

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Jean Moyer: We will be hiring lifeguards. Some are in the parks, counselors. We hire a couple of younger teams to water the Clay Court tennis courts and a new area where we will be hiring is in the woods, the newly planted trees in the woods where Rj. Cannot

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John Compton: I I do want to point out that keeping track of this community solar.

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Jean Moyer: Water. Yeah, we have actually 3 sources. But the Arpa money. We need to spend that down. First, st the we have quarter 1 million from a grant. It's a reimbursable grant with the State of Maryland.

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Jean Moyer: so we don't get that money in advance. As we spend that money, we will send a a bill into the State to get that money reimbursed.

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Jean Moyer: We make a lot of interest on sitting on that.

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Jean Moyer: in the of the monthly interest. How much is related to the Arpa money roughly. And that money we will.

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John Compton: I'll move to accept the treasurer's report. Mayor is moved. We don't need a second all in favor.

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John Compton: Alright, unanimous pleasure support. Thank you.

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John Compton: to. And we, the way this works is we will sign. We will sign a design build amendment to the contract, which will specify exactly how much will be spent

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John Compton: on what

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John Compton: and for the construction. And that's where we're aiming for once that is signed, they can start construction

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John Compton: if enough, if if the engineering has been complete and some of the areas, of course, of the where the work's going to be. The engineering is is more straightforward, and some are a little more complicated. Actual facility installations like the gravel wetlands at the end of center

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John Compton: and actually there we're we're going to propose at

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John Compton: along acorn at the intersection, acorn and chestnut, that there'd be a facility there.

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John Compton: Probably just step pools to retard the flow. Anyway. So if if we get everything, if everything happens to fall in line, we'll come back in June, but definitely definitely in July, because we need to expend our money

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John Compton: by the end of 2,026. That still should be quite easy to do. But

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John Compton: they don't want to run into death.

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John Compton: you know too much last minute stuff.

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John Compton: Alright, that's the end of my report. Any questions?

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John Compton: Alright! Then we'll move along. I had on. The agenda is number 8 is a proclamation declaring, June 6, th

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John Compton: 2025. National gun violence awareness day in Washington grove

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John Compton: The last one of these we did was in 2,020,

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John Compton: and the the Council approved making. June 5.th It was that year, and I provided the proclamation

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John Compton: and in the materials which I can bring up just for the sake of showing it.

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John Compton: it's gonna be small.

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John Compton: Yes.

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John Compton: should be visible to all up here.

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John Compton: and basically you know. It. It is this the right one? Yes, it declares the 1st Friday of June. National gun violence, awareness day in Washington Grove.

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John Compton: It's to honor and remember all victims and survivors of gun violence and

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John Compton: to highlight that we, as a country, should do more to end this public health crisis of

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John Compton: violence by by guns?

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John Compton: So there's a

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John Compton: a bunch of detail down below the the impetus for this the declaring this day annually originates, where a with a young lady who was shot and killed at the age of 15. And

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John Compton: she would have been 28 this year.

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John Compton: and many other cities have signed on to to recognize national gun violence, awareness, day.

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John Compton: as far as what do we do? We. There's nothing really we do except add on our voice to a national registry and and

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John Compton: public news sort use but also we are to

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John Compton: Individuals can participate by wearing orange. On June 6th orange was chosen, because that's the

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John Compton: safety color and hunting. And what have you? And we're going to?

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John Compton: Kathy's going to see to it that we replace the lights in the gazebo, the white lights to make them orange.

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John Compton: aren't they already? Orange? Yes, because we did it in. Those are my Halloween. Yeah, they're Halloween Orange. I need to pick those up. Yeah, I'm proposing this proclamation. I'm the Council.

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John Compton: So I'll make that motion. Okay? Seconded, Roberts. Moved. Mary seconded, supporting this proclamation on any discussion.

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John Compton: So I have a question. I mean, I certainly support the idea behind this, but there's like such and such awareness, day awareness, month, like every day of the year, every week here every week. So how do we? Why is this one different than the other. You know, ideas that are out there. It's not necessarily any more worthy than others. It's just that

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John Compton: someone has to bring it to our attention. I mean. You know you, you or anyone

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John Compton: residents can bring it to the town's attention, and it may well be worth supporting. Absolutely. I I do this because you know I was provided with some.

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John Compton: you know. convincing materials to to do it, and it it seems to me to be

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John Compton: not particularly a pervasive if you know country.

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John Compton: Not that others aren't as well. This one is any other discussion.

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John Compton: All right, all in favor, then, and thank you. That's unanimous.

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John Compton: and that will take us to the next item on the agenda today, far off.

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John Compton: I close that off somewhere I have.

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John Compton: Where'd it go?

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John Compton: Thought I had it.

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John Compton: Did I lose the agenda?

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John Compton: Okay?

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John Compton: Sorry I lost the agenda temporarily

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John Compton: alright. Next item on the under administrative matters is appointments of the Hpc.

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John Compton: 3 appointments. I'm I'm proposing for new new terms. Wendy Harris, be reappointed for a 3 year term

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John Compton: from this July through June of 28th also Mimi styles

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John Compton: and Kirk Greenway, who is the alternate. He was appointed recently to fill out the previous term, and now this is for a 3 year term.

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John Compton: So, any any discussion of the

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John Compton: appointment of these 3 individuals? Yeah. 3 good people. Yeah, yeah. To serve. So that's terrific.

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John Compton: Okay, all in favor of these appointments. Any post unanimous? Thank you.

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John Compton: All right. Now we'll move on to unfinished business. Let's return to the or the budget adopting the town budget and tax rate ordinance. We had the public hearing. I'm not going to go over it again.

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John Compton: It has. It has been introduced. So

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John Compton: I'm looking for a motion to prove it. Okay, Peter has moved, and Mary's gonna second, everything

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John Compton: you have to be faster. John took me 2 years to figure that out. The next one's yours. Any other discussion on that? The dog poop one, and I want reminding everybody as I do every time this comes up, that this is a requirement of the State, that we adopt our tax rates

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John Compton: and budget by ordinance. This is theirs. They wanted it, and Gene always.

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Jean Moyer: Make sure. I know that the the county actually wants all this information. A week ago, more than a week ago.

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Jean Moyer: I got an email late last week. Where is it?

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John Compton: Yeah. The bottom line is, you know, unless we schedule the council meeting

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John Compton: right after the annual town meeting, they're never going to be happy. We could move the town meeting earlier. It's already pretty early for us.

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John Compton: Okay, all in favor so unanimous ordinance adopted.

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John Compton: Alright, next item is ordinance 2025 0, 3 exempting fences from the requirement to apply for a Montgomery County permit.

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John Compton: Peter should be aware, as being the planning commission liaison

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John Compton: about about where we are on this. But I hope this ordinance was

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John Compton: brought up last meeting, and for some reason everything I wrote I don't know.

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John Compton: Kathy wrote, indicated that it was introduced and passed and enacted. Well, we can't do that. You have to have a public hearing on an ordinance proposal. There are some timing issues. So what was happened last month was it was introduced.

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John Compton: So we still need to have the public hearing and

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John Compton: I mean. So the 1st thing to do is to set a date for the public hearing.

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John Compton: which I propose to be just before, like we did tonight before the June

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John Compton: on June 9.th Alright, but we can continue to discuss it. And there, there's a reason to do that. Not wait and discuss it in June.

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John Compton: Peter.

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John Compton: I I personally, I don't know. No, I don't know. Why. Does everybody know what this is? Yeah, so I don't know. I mean, I don't see why we would discuss it, because it's it's just makes life easier. But it's it's a no brainer to me. Okay? And you're right. It is a no brainer, but there have to be there has there have to be

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John Compton: some.

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John Compton: It has to be done. I understand that, but I don't think the Council I can't. I mean everybody's entitled to their opinion about this, but I don't know why we would make put a burden on an unneeded burden on our residents. Right?

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John Compton: And you know we've been doing this for that, you know, for some of these fences, and it's never been an issue. Really

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John Compton: so. Georgette sent me a

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John Compton: discovered, and she's I think she put it before the planning commission that another portion so beyond the ordinance, as it was proposed. There was another section

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John Compton: in our ordinances that ought to be amended to ensure that that this fence permit from

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John Compton: the county is no, not required. So I went ahead and

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John Compton: incorporated the additional, the additional requirement. And you're looking at, and you're not looking at. Nobody's looking at it, because I'm the only one looking at it. But it was in the packet, believe it or not.

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John Compton: and and what this is is a proposed, really a prop. I'm just showing an altered

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John Compton: Why, I always have this trouble getting this thing out from under.

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John Compton: please.

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John Compton: All right. So it turns out that. That in Article 13, the application of county legislation there is a listing of the sections of the county legislation that apply to the town that we have incorporated

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John Compton: and down here in the red, you will see that number 7 in that list of about

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John Compton: I don't know. 12, I mean not number 7. That's section 7. There's there's 8, which is the buildings. Where we currently it makes a this exception

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John Compton: and the the planning Commission feels that needs this needs to be added to, and that's capitalized. And the exception of the structures in Article 4, for which which Article 4 is the original

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John Compton: area for which Washington Grove permit. Washington permit, but not a county permit is required.

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John Compton: So this is an amended language that simply adds this additional language to the

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John Compton: proposed ordinance. It adds it to the article 13. In addition to the change to Article 4, which is the original proposal.

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John Compton: So we don't have to propose to amend tonight, but I think it needs to be amended. In fact, I prefer that was proposed to be amended tonight, because then the public hearing will look at the

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John Compton: the more complete that would totally make sense. Okay, yeah. Yeah.

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John Compton: So if someone will move to. I'll make that motion, too. So this is amending the ordinance as introduced to the languages you're seeing here. The additions are all in red, as you can see.

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John Compton: okay, is an article 13 on the website. Sean. Yes.

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John Compton: you know where where it is. You want me. If I can bring it up.

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John Compton: I can't bring it up. How do I bring it up? Not find the dang

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John Compton: Let me do it.

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John Compton: Safari, I see.

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John Compton: Get rid of that.

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John Compton: Yeah, there we go.

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John Compton: It'll just take me 20 min to find it. Now I'll find it.

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John Compton: are you looking on the website, coming up with it quickly as I can. My laptop is not what I usually use. So all my quick

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John Compton: it's a new town government.

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John Compton: And then there's resolution. Yeah, here's here's

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John Compton: Say, Article 13 is our application of county legislation, and I can. I mean, I literally can

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John Compton: show it to you. Once I get stop the share, and

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John Compton: we start the share. And here we are.

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John Compton: Okay. So what you're seeing here is exemption from county legislation. Article 13. You see here the list of the sections of the county.

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John Compton: Oh, code that we incorporate, and one of them is 8, which what was listed in in this amendment

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John Compton: buildings, with the exception of chapter 8, 26 N. And O. And the proposal then, is to add

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John Compton: and and those things listed in Article 4 of our code.

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John Compton: Okay.

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John Compton: alright, did we vote on that? All in favor of? So this is to amend the ordinance that was introduced to with with the amendment shown in that document.

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John Compton: Any further discussion. Yeah, all in favor. Okay, all right. That process unanimously.

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John Compton: Thank you all.

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John Compton: And we'll

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John Compton: move along. Okay, well, now we reach the landscape maintenance services contract we deferred, and the award from last month

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John Compton: because of the apparent, because there was a low bid that was

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John Compton: significant. And we the Council didn't feel that didn't understand that bid and

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John Compton: let me show you what, just to refresh everybody's memory

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John Compton: we are talking about, and I I prepared this comparison.

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John Compton: Great. So here you are.

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John Compton: The bed here is in in green for the coming year. Rj. At 65, 6,

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John Compton: green sweep at 56,

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John Compton: 3, and green Earth was 35, and that was a shockingly low bid which would mean a significant lower cost. So, unfortunately we, this is the problem of opening bids the last minute

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John Compton: and then trying to award the contractors. You don't have time to appreciate any, any any

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John Compton: complexities in the bids. It turns out that the green earth bid

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John Compton: was not for all of the services in our Rfp.

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John Compton: I hope everyone looked at it. It's obvious to what it's obvious that it's not yeah. Yeah. And so the low bid is because it's for only some of what we requested

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John Compton: in in our in this contract.

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John Compton: And I. I pointed this out separately to innovative counselors we had, we had determined we would interview the 3 bidders tonight.

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John Compton: In in view of the low bid. Now that it appears that we, it was difficult impossible to compare the bids, because, in fact, Green Earth didn't bid

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John Compton: the Rfp. They bid what they wanted.

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John Compton: It was felt that we didn't need to interview them. So here we are with these bids, and I opened it to the council as to how to proceed. I second, that.

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John Compton: okay, okay, so anybody have any any. This you know. The the green sweep has a lower bid.

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John Compton: I think the letters from the Woods Committee and from F and B. You know, point out why we should spend that extra money. I think it makes a lot of sense.

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John Compton: Yeah.

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John Compton: The only the only comment that I have with Rj. Said, is it was

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John Compton: lacking any detail whatsoever. I mean, they basically filled in the forms I think they're relying on oh, really, from them. Oh, really!

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John Compton: And there was no, there was no statement about how they would use electric equipment at all. They offered that statement last time I did. I did.

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John Compton: We did want a statement of that sort and the Sustainability Committee reached out and and would like to hear you know

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John Compton: how committed they are to that I think they're as committed as it. My personal opinion is that they're as committed as anybody doing it.

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John Compton: The their you have to listen to

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John Compton: Steve works and others as to what is practical at this time.

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John Compton: they, of course, have to. They have to stop using gas blowers, that's and we. We have signed on to the counties. Prohibition, but using electric electric other, like mowers, is

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John Compton: a whole different challenge.

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John Compton: They probably exist. They probably expensive. There's probably a whole, the county, only the county can afford to do it well, even they're not doing that. I mean, so far it's only the blowers. I say that only because, you know, I have heard nothing but exceedingly positive things about them. It's just amazing. So yeah, I you know, I think if we were to, we're in good good way

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John Compton: to press them to

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John Compton: do what they can. You know. I think all of those companies are caught in a tough

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John Compton: squeeze a little bit. As to you know, they have to remain competitive.

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John Compton: and they, you know, if they were to convert to electric

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John Compton: larger equipment, it almost certainly is gonna cost more money. Just 1st of all, there's certainly a capital expense, if not the time it takes them to do the work. So

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John Compton: yeah, that's something we have to keep working on. And we I'll remind you that if I if we approve this contract

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John Compton: and this contract was bid it's it's a 1 year contract we are awarding. But the the bid called for prices for 5 years and indicated that at the discretion of the town and the the

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John Compton: vendor, the contract could be renewed annually.

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John Compton: So every year we have. We we sign a new. We indicate we offer them the contract again, and we put we can put in there any other

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John Compton: conditions that we believe we would like to have, and there can be a negotiation, or we can just say, Well, if you can't do that, then we'll have to look for somebody else. I just wasn't sure how much we were weighing that electrical equipment, conversion and all that kind of stuff. So not an issue.

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John Compton: Okay, that was the discussion. Anything else?

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John Compton: Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, this is a very relevant

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John Compton: issue moving ahead. And I'm I'm saying.

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John Compton: you know, now that we've gotten the bidding out. And you know. Next year we'll we'll go through

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John Compton: you know, offering in a second year. The this is the kind of thing that could be addressed you. You can get your statement.

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John Compton: their plan, their plan. Address.

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John Compton: Okay, alright, hearing no further discussion. And let's move on to a vote all in favor of awarding contract to. Rj.

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John Compton: all right. Looks like a unanimous vote.

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John Compton: Right?

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John Compton: Oh, to the agenda. The next item

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John Compton: we're unlocking the tennis court gates. Further discussion, possible action. Gonna let you just review where we were. We we introduced this subject last month, and the

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John Compton: It was the consensus of the Council that there was insufficient information as to

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John Compton: How? Important.

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John Compton: what? Whether? Whether whether locking the gates had enough there was enough reason to do this to whatever to prevent damage, to

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John Compton: make sure. You know

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John Compton: people aren't using it inappropriately. And so we the the it was we. The Council voted to postpone action to this month to gather

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John Compton: additional information regarding the

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01:31:39.490 --> 01:31:50.299
John Compton: the advantages of locking the gate. So here's where we are, cedar. So it was verified. The motion last month was to lock the clay courts and the hard courts correct. Yes.

529
01:31:50.510 --> 01:31:57.340
John Compton: okay. I would like to amend that to say to locking the clay courts only.

530
01:31:59.510 --> 01:32:01.319
John Compton: But that's my motion.

531
01:32:01.880 --> 01:32:03.413
John Compton: Okay, so

532
01:32:05.570 --> 01:32:15.230
John Compton: But before we before before I repeat the motion, can you explain why you I mean

533
01:32:15.530 --> 01:32:20.340
John Compton: you're the person giving the motion. May may

534
01:32:23.210 --> 01:32:32.490
John Compton: speak to their motion right procedurally, we need a second to proceed. That's correct, and I need. I need to repeat the motion

535
01:32:32.800 --> 01:32:35.910
John Compton: once. Right, I'll second.

536
01:32:36.740 --> 01:32:41.212
John Compton: Okay. So it's been moved and seconded to amend the

537
01:32:42.060 --> 01:32:48.769
John Compton: The proposal to lock the tennis court courts to just lock the clay courts

538
01:32:49.680 --> 01:32:55.520
John Compton: and it's now open for discussion, but we'll let barbers. Yes, because

539
01:32:55.860 --> 01:33:01.110
John Compton: I I saw the evidence that was presented. The pictures. I walked over there myself.

540
01:33:01.570 --> 01:33:09.360
John Compton: I'm not convinced that marking the hard courts like, what will that

541
01:33:09.520 --> 01:33:24.839
John Compton: do? I mean? There is some damage on the tennis court it's on the green part that you don't play on. It's like a little, some gouging out the part that's on the blue is like some.

542
01:33:25.360 --> 01:33:39.039
John Compton: It's not an indentation in the court at all. I don't see how it's like some kind of visual thing that, you see. I don't see how that affects tennis fighting. I think that

543
01:33:39.150 --> 01:33:59.649
John Compton: putting the lock on the gates is a real it was very offensive to see. I've been to different tennis courts around here grove the one over in Maddie Stepanek, and the one over at Blueberry Hill. They do not have locks

544
01:34:00.403 --> 01:34:09.129
John Compton: on the Rockville one the Maddie Sevenak one. They have a big sign that these courts are for the use of Rockville residents. Only

545
01:34:09.510 --> 01:34:26.930
John Compton: I looked there yesterday. There were dozens and dozens of people there. I don't think anybody was there checking Ids. So surely it's possible that if we don't walk the tennis courts that we'll have people who don't live in the grove using them, which

546
01:34:27.170 --> 01:34:32.580
John Compton: violates our ordinance. But I think that's kind of de minimis.

547
01:34:32.909 --> 01:35:00.290
John Compton: The clay courts are a different matter, because they are so easily damaged and so, and damaged by people who like. Oh, I think I'll walk around on the clay court, and they have no idea that they're even doing that causing harm. So I do feel like the clay courts need more protection just because of the nature of a clay court. But I'm not convinced by the evidence that was presented to us that the hard courts need to be locked.

548
01:35:01.160 --> 01:35:15.579
John Compton: Is it possible that I've heard some people say that the sign is not. I mean, I know it says that, but maybe people aren't reading it as much. So if we made it a more prominent. This is for town residents. Only just so people will know if that's what our rule is.

549
01:35:16.265 --> 01:35:17.810
John Compton: Without locking it.

550
01:35:19.830 --> 01:35:21.559
John Compton: Well, okay, so I

551
01:35:23.910 --> 01:35:42.109
John Compton: I'm not. I would not die. I think that I agree. The clay courts have to be locked. I would not die on, you know whether the hard courts are locked or not, but we did ask for evidence and information, and the people that use the courts are very passionate

552
01:35:42.380 --> 01:35:46.150
John Compton: about this fact. And, Donna, you know.

553
01:35:46.270 --> 01:36:08.119
John Compton: we all know that we play tennis all the time. You have to wear tennis shoes on tennis court tennis court surfaces. You know we spent about 30,000 last time to get that thing resurfaced, and if you don't wear tennis shoes the courts acrylic, it gets damaged, and Donna was good enough to explain that moisture gets in there. That's where your cracking can come from.

554
01:36:08.442 --> 01:36:36.860
John Compton: I've been on that court. It's an attractive nuisance. People bring all kinds of things on it. We're offering our entire park to the entire world. And all we're saying is that our ordinances say these courts are for our residents and we're not. We're not, you know. We're not being snobby about it, just like, you know, we have our lake. And we, you know, we go through a little bit with that also. But to me, the people that use the courts, and we're getting more and more people as far as pickleball people.

555
01:36:37.186 --> 01:37:00.400
John Compton: If you have a pickleball court. Tennis courts are everywhere, and they're not used hardly at all. But pickle pickleball courts are very, very attractive to people, and it's very uncomfortable to have people from out of town. It's even worse to have people on the courts and then telling them they have to leave. And and you know, just to me. I think we're making way too much out of this. Most of the communities I know block their courts.

556
01:37:00.550 --> 01:37:18.970
John Compton: and because the courts are a valuable asset, then they can get damaged very useless. So my experience by the fact that I was assaulted almost on the tennis bus by telling a group of teens who was skateboarding on it to leave, and I actually called up the mayor, who told me to call the police.

557
01:37:18.970 --> 01:37:33.089
John Compton: And and so, anyway. You know I I the only feedback I've gotten from the town has been as you've all probably gotten to was from very passionate people. I'm looking at numbers right now, and you know.

558
01:37:34.120 --> 01:37:52.060
John Compton: I personally think that the court should be locked. I also don't think that we should advertise apologies or anything else which makes it look even more like well, why were they apologizing? What are they doing? What are they doing? That's wrong. It's it's always been for a town. Residents only.

559
01:37:52.150 --> 01:38:06.860
John Compton: and and Meredith and her group have worked out a very good plan of how to alert the town. Meredith and some people have even volunteered to be. You know they have their names out there, just like at the lake, where, if you want to get on there, you know who to go to.

560
01:38:06.860 --> 01:38:22.439
John Compton: So and like, I said, I'm not gonna die on this issue. But I I really believe that you know this is a. This is a fine direction, and I know the whole Dei initiative. But I don't think that should drive. I don't think that should drive our decisions.

561
01:38:22.440 --> 01:38:31.400
John Compton: because I don't think I think that we're a welcoming town. I believe that I think we're doing this, you know, for the, for the goodness of the field for the for the interests of the town.

562
01:38:31.980 --> 01:38:51.089
John Compton: I I'm not sure that locking the clay courts is going to solve anything, because that gate is just not high enough, you know, determine, will determine teens with skateboards, or any other bicycle can lift them right over that fence. And I mean, I used to do that as a kid. Yeah, it's not. It's not a. It's not a deterrent.

563
01:38:51.360 --> 01:38:59.350
John Compton: Oh, we're not gonna put a a 10 foot offensive. I'm just not sure that they're gonna get the result

564
01:38:59.500 --> 01:39:13.379
John Compton: for the clay courts that you want, because I because if the kids come and they can't get on the main court. They're gonna see the clay courts over there. And it's dog. It's dogs that are the biggest dogs. The main problem. Yeah, it is the main problem. Yeah, okay.

565
01:39:13.380 --> 01:39:38.540
John Compton: yeah. But the person that goes on the clay court and does not wear it. If you were in a running shoe on the clay court. It rips it up. Yeah, the tread, the treads, and and we have cicadas. But Meredith is right there, watching at all times. So that's the other thing. So somebody goes over and she'll get them.

566
01:39:38.900 --> 01:39:40.970
John Compton: Yeah. So anyway, that's my say.

567
01:39:45.210 --> 01:39:47.020
John Compton: anyway, I also have.

568
01:39:49.680 --> 01:39:56.439
John Compton: I? I just want to comment that you know, locking 2 of them, I mean just the clay courts.

569
01:39:58.170 --> 01:40:12.209
John Compton: My, I mean seems to me to be a kind of a half measure. If you still need to have the combination disseminated. The same organization would apply to making it possible for residents to use the clay courts

570
01:40:13.620 --> 01:40:14.405
John Compton: and

571
01:40:16.360 --> 01:40:24.520
John Compton: So, leaving the heart courts open. Just strikes me as a you know, it's a half measure.

572
01:40:25.870 --> 01:40:32.630
John Compton: yeah, as you you you will have read in in the comments you know, public input the way that was received.

573
01:40:32.890 --> 01:40:39.119
John Compton: that there there was belief that better signage

574
01:40:39.865 --> 01:40:49.824
John Compton: whatever, whether the you lock the courts or not. There the the courts could use a lot better signage that address these very issues.

575
01:40:50.600 --> 01:40:51.405
John Compton: that

576
01:40:53.690 --> 01:41:04.710
John Compton: you know certain things. shouldn't be on the clay courts, and you can say why, I mean, you know. And if if people like to use

577
01:41:05.270 --> 01:41:13.919
John Compton: skateboards and inline skates, we can point out that you know 50 feet away is the basketball court, which we are about to make.

578
01:41:14.210 --> 01:41:21.619
John Compton: Very nice and smooth is available for that activity. So please use that

579
01:41:22.258 --> 01:41:29.890
John Compton: and and and simply so the signage, well thought out, could address the most obvious offenses that

580
01:41:30.490 --> 01:41:35.650
John Compton: happen. You can say that you know the clay courts are damaged by

581
01:41:35.800 --> 01:41:48.520
John Compton: tread, you know. No, no treaded shoes be which damage the Clay court. I mean. You say that, and you know most people would would understand that it's being totally arbitrary here.

582
01:41:50.640 --> 01:42:11.890
John Compton: if if you put a list of no's and then at the bottom, put something about, you know, violations may be subject to. I mean, if what you said is called the police, you know, to put, you know just that there is an enforceable way that you know just in terms of additional incentive, whether it works or not. But if someone comes, you know, and says you need to get off, it's kind of there you can say, you know

583
01:42:12.560 --> 01:42:13.839
John Compton: you can call, please.

584
01:42:17.620 --> 01:42:24.520
John Compton: I mean, yeah. As with all safety measures you you as John, I think, as you were.

585
01:42:25.360 --> 01:42:31.440
John Compton: you were pointing out. You know you have. You have to see how effective it is, you know, short of short of

586
01:42:32.810 --> 01:42:39.839
John Compton: putting a 20 foot fence, you know. Is it going to reduce the the issue issues. Is it gonna

587
01:42:40.300 --> 01:42:48.809
John Compton: handle the issues? Our courts have been. We pay all this money to these courts, and they're never used. And now we have

588
01:42:49.280 --> 01:43:04.210
John Compton: this group of people. Pickleball is a really, and we have tennis players, too. And they you all don't probably get all the emails that go around. But there they it's it's a. It's a pretty significant group of grovers that's going to grow and grow and grow.

589
01:43:04.210 --> 01:43:27.869
John Compton: And they're putting a lot of volunteer effort in they're doing. They're doing the lessons for the kids. They have all kinds of stuff going on. And it's a lot of enthusiasm. And those courts that's part of our heritage is the tennis courts. Really the probe history goes back, and it's being resurrected by this group. And they're you know they're putting this effort in. They're requesting something.

590
01:43:28.130 --> 01:43:55.540
John Compton: and I think that you know to me it's like, like, I say, I don't. You know we we don't use. Of course we go somewhere else, but but they're they're doing this, and I think they should be rewarded by us listening to what what they're doing. And you know any objection that that's whether it's signage, whether it's figuring out a system for communicating throughout the grove of how to you know. Make sure that people gets course scheduled and everything else. You know, it's a lot a lot going on.

591
01:43:55.550 --> 01:44:14.039
John Compton: And you know, I just think that this is just responding to what they're what they're asking for, and you know what you could also do a little pilot thing and try it. And if if we find that there's some negative feedback. Yeah. And and you know what, we're never gonna hear anything, because that's the way it is. But

592
01:44:14.660 --> 01:44:28.450
John Compton: maybe you know you might. You might well hear that, you know this is a pain in the exactly. It's a small investment, considering the effort that's going through. That's just my my feeling for this whole thing.

593
01:44:31.290 --> 01:44:38.270
John Compton: Any other comments now we have on the floor, on the a motion to amend to

594
01:44:38.420 --> 01:44:42.682
John Compton: lock only the clay courts. That's will be the next action

595
01:44:43.800 --> 01:44:48.570
John Compton: further discussion. Well, I think so, if I may. You know one of the things that that

596
01:44:48.960 --> 01:44:52.820
John Compton: but I I did see some traffic on was the fact that it's

597
01:44:53.440 --> 01:44:59.029
John Compton: yeah. And and and Peter brought it up too. Right? It's there's an expense for upkeep.

598
01:44:59.360 --> 01:45:01.519
John Compton: and and whether it's

599
01:45:02.410 --> 01:45:11.139
John Compton: obviously, you know, with the gates being locked, but the fence 4 feet you could easily jump over. But I think if you do, a multitude

600
01:45:11.350 --> 01:45:13.590
John Compton: of measures

601
01:45:14.181 --> 01:45:23.120
John Compton: especially for teenagers, if you say you know, here are the nose, and if you don't comply, Montgomery County police will be notified, or whatever for enforcement

602
01:45:24.530 --> 01:45:25.300
John Compton: it

603
01:45:25.530 --> 01:45:42.290
John Compton: the kids. And then, if we offer up the basketball court, for example, then the kids would probably move over. You know, there's no reason for them to be violating and and damaging property unless they really want to, you know, to be a Vandal. But and and you're not gonna stop that right? But I think.

604
01:45:46.270 --> 01:45:54.010
John Compton: yeah. And and I go back to the taxpayer dollar thing. It costs a lot to maintain.

605
01:45:54.240 --> 01:46:01.249
John Compton: And and and that's 1 of the draws for this community, and you know, with the resolution that says

606
01:46:01.760 --> 01:46:07.630
John Compton: that the courts are for town residents, you know. Maybe that should be looked at again. If we want to open it up.

607
01:46:07.760 --> 01:46:11.380
John Compton: Bye, it's it. We're not there right now.

608
01:46:13.690 --> 01:46:18.600
John Compton: Now, I think if we, if we a trial, run

609
01:46:18.980 --> 01:46:25.240
John Compton: right and and take all these measures in in the. In that consideration, you know, and even lock both gates

610
01:46:25.410 --> 01:46:36.140
John Compton: with the signage. It says, if you want to roller, blade or skateboard, or whatever go use the basketball court so. And it's essence, you know, we're we're we're shifting.

611
01:46:37.200 --> 01:46:44.139
John Compton: shifting all the activity to another location that could handle something like this right? And and you know, that's

612
01:46:45.270 --> 01:46:46.387
John Compton: I guess that's

613
01:46:48.230 --> 01:46:53.349
John Compton: what's going through my mind. I get my line is we don't want to raise taxes to help keep.

614
01:46:54.030 --> 01:47:09.470
John Compton: We do. The tennis courts play, or hard surfaces, even though locking it up. You know, it's like locking your cars. If somebody really wants to get in there, lock in your house, somebody's gonna get in there. But it's it's just a a visual

615
01:47:12.430 --> 01:47:27.090
John Compton: you know to measure the take and deterrent. Yeah. And I do think that they did give proof that there is actual damage going on to the courts wherever it is. I mean, clearly, people are in there. It's doing something, and that will come to an expense if you

616
01:47:27.200 --> 01:47:32.679
John Compton: yeah. Well, I wanna point out, though. But we don't necessarily know who did that damage.

617
01:47:33.690 --> 01:47:59.330
John Compton: Well, it wasn't somebody playing tennis, I suspect it looked like wheels, or but where was it? Somebody from who lives in the grove, or somebody who came to visit it like we don't. I mean, I don't know that that wasn't in the in the. I guess that's where the signage kind of being more clear and and controls right? I think when you lock it. Then you were talking about people with combinations and having access control, just like they do with the lake or whatever it's. It's, you know.

618
01:47:59.490 --> 01:48:08.939
John Compton: it's nothing. It's foolproof. And we're not gonna get there unless we do build 20 foot fence around it. But you know, every added measure, I think.

619
01:48:10.750 --> 01:48:26.160
John Compton: is a deterrent, you know, and especially, I think, if you say, if something goes wrong, you know, we're gonna call Montgomery County police, you know, and they're just right around the corner, and that to me is a should be a pretty good deterrent for teenagers.

620
01:48:27.410 --> 01:48:34.230
John Compton: The signage should make clear that the the prohibitions, including the locking, is to protect.

621
01:48:34.820 --> 01:48:38.429
John Compton: prevent damage to the courts. It's it's not to keep.

622
01:48:38.950 --> 01:48:56.760
John Compton: Yeah, yeah, you you out of. There's a tennis court. Yeah, I mean, but it's an attractive area. So we make it harder for just for you know, if you you know well, we've been playing here on the swings. Let's go

623
01:48:57.170 --> 01:49:12.349
John Compton: jump the tennis court for a tennis net, or it's a it's a playpen, too. I would see. I always see families with kids running around in there. They jump in hanging on the nets. Yeah. You know they have their little dogs running around in there with them.

624
01:49:12.870 --> 01:49:28.890
John Compton: Yeah, it's an attractive nuisance, is what it is. Yeah, if you call Silas, my Silas can't walk that far. I mean, if you're going to be totally honest, reality is that whether it's locked or not.

625
01:49:29.100 --> 01:49:49.340
John Compton: the the clay courts can get damaged, but you sweep them, and you know they pretty much if we roll, they get swept, though. These courts, you know they haven't been locked in, you know, forever. And you know again it it every every X number of years it has to be resurfaced.

626
01:49:49.520 --> 01:50:00.510
John Compton: So yeah, I think I think to me the thing that really moves me about. This is just the group of people who are using them. And they're the ones that very passionately

627
01:50:00.520 --> 01:50:30.410
John Compton: are requesting this. And they're the ones that have a lot more knowledge about what's going and knowledge about what's going on than the people here do. Have there been an increase in incidences over the years. You know, it's like, we're all it's like, we're all sitting here, and it's like we're all trying to like. Come up with all this stuff. Nobody's done these studies. Or, you know. Yeah, yeah, it's the 1st time that I remember. And I've been on council for a while

628
01:50:30.600 --> 01:50:50.880
John Compton: that there were things got elevated to us. No, like we've had. We've had a certain number of of athletes, and a young athlete in town used was in there with their lacrosse stick, and they were practicing or throwing their ball against the channeling fence and totally damaged

629
01:50:51.260 --> 01:51:10.450
John Compton: a something. And you know Steve Works was here he could, probably because he's the one that has to fix all this stuff. He could probably tell some stories. I because I live relatively close. I pass it all the time. I've seen many times people in there that shouldn't be in there, you know, doing things that's not tennis, and you know they're not wearing tennis shoes.

630
01:51:10.750 --> 01:51:11.680
John Compton: But

631
01:51:12.050 --> 01:51:26.407
John Compton: you know, I mean, we all we have more important things to worry about than this like dog poop. Okay, it's like, unless someone objects, we need to vote on Barbara's proposed amendment.

632
01:51:27.110 --> 01:51:32.540
John Compton: but just to block only the Clay Court 8.

633
01:51:33.290 --> 01:51:34.360
John Compton: You ready to hear about it

634
01:51:35.480 --> 01:51:40.350
John Compton: all in favor of that amendment opposed.

635
01:51:42.070 --> 01:51:54.559
John Compton: All right. It was one in favor of 5 against amendment fails. So we're back to the original motion, which is to lock the gates all the gates to the tennis

636
01:51:55.270 --> 01:51:56.090
John Compton: quartz.

637
01:51:57.380 --> 01:52:05.399
John Compton: My proposal is that that if if you're going to approve that, then it shouldn't happen until

638
01:52:06.304 --> 01:52:09.979
John Compton: signage. Appropriate signage is installed.

639
01:52:11.820 --> 01:52:21.400
John Compton: So that the the presence of locks will be better explained right at at the doors.

640
01:52:23.470 --> 01:52:45.620
John Compton: Any discussion then, on the main I'm just wondering if, as a as a branch, we wanted to say that we would try. We would try this, or Oh, you want to make it a trial period or reevaluate it after a certain amount of time. Yeah, that's maybe a perfectly reasonable

641
01:52:46.110 --> 01:52:50.360
John Compton: wasn't mine wasn't mine. Oh.

642
01:52:50.470 --> 01:52:58.486
John Compton: well, he was. Yes, so I would amend that. And to have a trial period 6 months.

643
01:52:59.910 --> 01:53:16.479
John Compton: yeah, it's actually you could. You could. Yeah, except that tennis is gonna stop at. You know, it's gonna I mean, 3 months is enough. Yeah. Well, we could say 6 months. It doesn't matter, because I mean, what's the difference? Reevaluate it in the summer?

644
01:53:16.480 --> 01:53:31.479
John Compton: Oh, I know. Yeah. Robert's rules like, did you make a motion? Or was your second? I mean this is we're already discussing. I think we're trying to figure out what the motion is. Okay. So you could do that, Peter. Okay, so I'm going to make the motion that we lock the tenant. What?

645
01:53:31.490 --> 01:53:34.990
John Compton: But okay, what? Just say, October, okay.

646
01:53:35.160 --> 01:53:42.950
John Compton: I'm making the motion that we lock all the tennis courts on the trial basis, and we reevaluate in October.

647
01:53:43.720 --> 01:53:44.630
John Compton: does it?

648
01:53:45.080 --> 01:54:09.410
John Compton: You seconded, are you? Oh, I mean, you're not second and reevaluate, based on complaints, or whether there's an improvement in what happens to the or just look at it and say, continue, I mean what? What? We don't know what? What?

649
01:54:09.410 --> 01:54:18.830
John Compton: My comment. Yeah, yeah, I suspect you'll get some comments over the period. Yeah, yeah, is there? October, is it October or not? October, October.

650
01:54:19.080 --> 01:54:26.170
John Compton: October 31.st Was it Halloween? No. October, May, October, so that will be

651
01:54:26.450 --> 01:54:44.589
John Compton: June, July, August, September 4 months. That's all those summer months perfect rules with the second. Does that open it up for discussion. It's oh, yes. Well, they have agreed to alter their motion. So the motion's been altered because they're the 1st and second.

652
01:54:44.790 --> 01:54:47.910
John Compton: And now we're discussing the

653
01:54:48.440 --> 01:54:57.310
John Compton: new and improved motion. Okay, so it's open for discussion. And the only thing is, do we want to add

654
01:54:57.490 --> 01:54:58.840
John Compton: signage

655
01:54:59.760 --> 01:55:11.270
John Compton: that we lock it after we get the appropriate signage? And then the other question I have is, is it going to be bilingual, or is it going to be bilingual like English and Spanish, or we we have

656
01:55:11.730 --> 01:55:16.620
John Compton: made recent policy. Is that signs will be in Spanish as well. Okay.

657
01:55:17.070 --> 01:55:21.390
John Compton: up to the council. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, did we? Wanna, you know.

658
01:55:22.130 --> 01:55:26.590
John Compton: And so signage as a

659
01:55:27.400 --> 01:55:35.759
John Compton: I think the procedure is to vote whether we wanna reevaluate in October. And then, after that, we can

660
01:55:36.190 --> 01:55:50.829
John Compton: discuss your amendment to change the sign. Is there any discussion about the the revised motion blocking the tennis courts?

661
01:55:51.449 --> 01:56:02.470
John Compton: With a re, with a reevaluation in October. Well, the motion is specifically on the reevaluation. No, the motion they have. They have

662
01:56:02.960 --> 01:56:09.630
John Compton: right. But we're amend he. The proposal was to amend it to now he's the he's the

663
01:56:10.400 --> 01:56:19.129
John Compton: and the he made the motion. Mary seconded it. They can agree to the change. You don't need a vote.

664
01:56:20.150 --> 01:56:25.506
John Compton: Their motion is now lock the 4, I'm pretty sure.

665
01:56:27.110 --> 01:56:40.399
John Compton: 3. Yeah, I mean, we can do it by a minute. Are we building another one? What? In any event, I think I think the the outcome is clear all all you know.

666
01:56:40.620 --> 01:56:44.480
John Compton: and it was straw vote, and by direct yourself out

667
01:56:44.660 --> 01:56:48.970
John Compton: all in favor of adding the reevaluation to the locking.

668
01:56:49.550 --> 01:56:53.600
John Compton: Awesome. Alright, so that that's

669
01:56:53.740 --> 01:56:59.359
John Compton: approved. So now we have the now we have. The motion is open to any further amendments

670
01:57:02.680 --> 01:57:09.359
John Compton: about signage. Yes, so do I. I make a motion that we amend, amend.

671
01:57:10.400 --> 01:57:15.100
John Compton: and and include signage as a prerequisite to to lock in.

672
01:57:15.220 --> 01:57:19.210
John Compton: Okay, second.

673
01:57:19.980 --> 01:57:26.399
John Compton: Alright, so move to amend to require new signage

674
01:57:27.375 --> 01:57:29.275
John Compton: prior to the locking.

675
01:57:30.150 --> 01:57:37.340
John Compton: is there? Who? Who, just as a matter of interest who will design and approve the signage

676
01:57:38.180 --> 01:57:58.079
John Compton: should the tennis people well, the signs need to be. As you already said, they need to be Redone, anyway. So it's not. It's not. It's not a big deal. And it there's a lot of discussion already circulating around about what the signs should say. Basically prohibitions. And you know, okay, you've got 3 weeks. Come back in June with proposed signage.

677
01:57:59.220 --> 01:58:12.370
John Compton: and then we can get on with blocking. I'm not worried about getting the signs. Yeah, that's that's that's a small matter. Okay, we can get the signs fairly quickly. We just have to

678
01:58:12.970 --> 01:58:14.490
John Compton: what we want to get.

679
01:58:15.040 --> 01:58:17.731
John Compton: So yeah, I would I would

680
01:58:18.550 --> 01:58:27.539
John Compton: be opposed to waiting on the locking, because if it's gonna take, however long, 30 day 30 to that's

681
01:58:27.850 --> 01:58:35.630
John Compton: another chunk of warm weather gone without the the locking. I mean, it's a as I understand it. It's

682
01:58:35.910 --> 01:59:03.990
John Compton: as these things go. An emergency situation is like we're talking about conditions of a clay tennis court, but I don't play the people in town who do care about it. I don't want to waste another 30 days if we're going to address it. We're trying to stop it. We should lock it now. I agree that we should put up signage to explain, but I don't think that we should let the the conditions persist while we're getting the sign put in place.

683
01:59:04.890 --> 01:59:05.850
John Compton: Let's see.

684
01:59:09.150 --> 01:59:17.709
John Compton: is that an amendment to the amendment? Well, it's just. It's it's just my statement opposing

685
01:59:17.830 --> 01:59:31.299
John Compton: the waiting of the the delay. So I was just wondering what that means.

686
01:59:33.140 --> 01:59:43.519
John Compton: Okay, well, if I can frame it as a motion to amend to eliminate the

687
01:59:44.269 --> 02:00:00.380
John Compton: delaying the locking of the courts. You're just opposed to his his. I'm not opposed to the adding signers. But you're opposed to his amendment, as stated. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

688
02:00:01.410 --> 02:00:08.450
John Compton: Anybody else want to speak to the amendment to require signage before locking. I think it's gonna be. I think it's

689
02:00:08.690 --> 02:00:13.880
John Compton: gonna be really a little bit difficult coming up with the verbiage everybody's gonna agree on.

690
02:00:14.050 --> 02:00:30.879
John Compton: I mean, we will do it. But I don't think it's going to happen. I have very strong feelings about the you know the app. I don't. Wanna I don't want to be apologizing to people for doing what I think is the right thing.

691
02:00:32.226 --> 02:00:40.589
John Compton: Like to think that I'm very good at signage. I've basically yeah.

692
02:00:41.150 --> 02:00:47.840
John Compton: participated in most of the signs in the last few, a bunch of years that have gone in.

693
02:00:47.950 --> 02:00:50.229
John Compton: and you know the

694
02:00:50.530 --> 02:01:12.919
John Compton: I don't think it should take that long to do this. I've seen what took 5 years to get a welcome sign. I wasn't involved, remember, I was not involved in that. Yes, I do. So. Can we like come up with a a timeframe of when the signs we can get the signs built instantly. It's just a matter of the verbiage.

695
02:01:13.260 --> 02:01:34.880
John Compton: So I was gonna say by by June, by by the June meeting short, we have an amendment on the floor. Any further discussion, all in favor of Chris's amendment to con to condition locking on having signage.

696
02:01:35.950 --> 02:01:41.400
John Compton: please indicate by saying, but then all opposed.

697
02:01:42.900 --> 02:01:48.360
John Compton: all right. Amendment fails. Further discussion on the motion which is

698
02:01:48.720 --> 02:01:54.190
John Compton: to have a put the locks on and reevaluate in October

699
02:01:56.920 --> 02:01:59.550
John Compton: for the discussions. Right? Yeah, so.

700
02:01:59.950 --> 02:02:03.429
John Compton: And I guess you know, the more

701
02:02:04.260 --> 02:02:14.550
John Compton: crosses my mind is what John had said earlier. If you if you lock it, it's not gonna stop anybody, and if you lock it, it could. If it's a bunch of teenagers, I don't know who they are, but if they're in there.

702
02:02:14.750 --> 02:02:25.269
John Compton: and and all of a sudden they can't get in there. They're gonna they're gonna go to the clay courts, more than likely, because the fences are lower, right, totally different environments

703
02:02:25.750 --> 02:02:36.310
John Compton: totally different. It's not the things that they would do in in the hard service they would not do in the clay service. I mean, that's not, that's not gonna be an issue.

704
02:02:37.060 --> 02:02:45.539
John Compton: That's trust me. Okay, that's why we have a trial period, if it has unforeseen

705
02:02:45.850 --> 02:02:50.620
John Compton: consequences. On what do they? What do we call it? Un

706
02:02:50.970 --> 02:03:09.839
John Compton: unforeseen consequences? That's a good reason. A point of information is, the the motion that's on the floor is part of that that the locks will have

707
02:03:09.880 --> 02:03:27.529
John Compton: a code like what we have. And and so town people will have it. Yes, because I remember that coming up. But I wasn't sure if that was actually part of the proposal was to have coded. And there's a whole system in place for alerting in town.

708
02:03:27.530 --> 02:03:44.630
John Compton: I think there's also they. It's on the signage that they're gonna have there, anyway. Temporarily, I think Meredith could speak to it, but they're gonna have Meredith's name and somebody else's name on there so that they can. They can get in touch with them if they need to. You know they don't have the access.

709
02:03:45.160 --> 02:03:50.860
John Compton: So do we need to propose an amendment that the fact that we're just gonna make some new signs.

710
02:03:51.340 --> 02:03:57.270
John Compton: We can have a separate motion for that or just we've already.

711
02:03:57.800 --> 02:04:07.080
John Compton: We vote on that one. I'm not sure. Signs are necessarily need council action. But we we can do signs. Usually we just inform the Council. Here's what

712
02:04:07.200 --> 02:04:15.429
John Compton: you know. When, when our insurance company recommended improved signage, we just said, here's the proof signage that meets there.

713
02:04:15.460 --> 02:04:44.330
John Compton: Recommendations. Boom. Assume that the mayor who's the administrator of all these things, won't allow the locks to go on until there's a process for everybody getting the combination. I mean, the last thing I want to do is hear about what the heck are these

714
02:04:44.520 --> 02:05:04.436
John Compton: courts locked? Oh, John, you're gonna hear without without a sign. It might be a huge surprise, you know. There's always people, all right. So that's that that I think we can just deal with that

715
02:05:05.390 --> 02:05:08.169
John Compton: any other discussion on the motion per se.

716
02:05:08.930 --> 02:05:14.180
John Compton: Once again it's to lock the courts, combination locks.

717
02:05:14.320 --> 02:05:22.500
John Compton: and for a trial to be reevaluated in October, all in favor any opposed

718
02:05:22.920 --> 02:05:31.640
John Compton: okay, motion passes. I. I know it's a sense of a council. I don't need. We need that we need improved signage.

719
02:05:31.750 --> 02:05:54.842
John Compton: and we'll certainly work on signage. Peter is going to lead. Meredith is going to lead the charge on on opinions and are you there, Meredith? Yeah. Well, pictures. There, she's there. Yeah. Okay, I I know your logo.

720
02:05:55.790 --> 02:06:00.129
John Compton: We'll fire back and forth, proposed language for clients.

721
02:06:00.790 --> 02:06:03.970
John Compton: Alright, good. On we go.

722
02:06:06.520 --> 02:06:17.310
John Compton: all right. This brings us to a new business, which is 1st item, is resolution 2025, 0, 6, renewing the renewable energy conversion incentive program.

723
02:06:17.680 --> 02:06:19.290
John Compton: I hope, Bob.

724
02:06:19.610 --> 02:06:39.659
John Compton: but we're still hanging in there. He's here to answer questions. I'm just going to go over the resolution which hopefully you all saw. It is a variation it is a re revision to the one we passed originally which which was then again passed last year.

725
02:06:40.890 --> 02:06:47.839
John Compton: But it has been modified to account for what we have learned in terms of experience.

726
02:06:48.010 --> 02:06:50.759
John Compton: And so I'm gonna show it

727
02:06:51.470 --> 02:07:09.879
John Compton: here. So I'm just wondering. Do counselors feel like we need to have John explain it to us. I'm not going to explain the whole thing. I only want to explain a few. No, no, I don't want to spend forever on this. No, and that's why I didn't ask Bob to

728
02:07:10.400 --> 02:07:17.490
John Compton: go through. I think we can make it quick, famous last words, okay, right?

729
02:07:18.100 --> 02:07:20.304
John Compton: Okay. Here is

730
02:07:21.270 --> 02:07:23.570
John Compton: Here is the resolution, then

731
02:07:24.244 --> 02:07:35.160
John Compton: and and you know most everything is some wording has been changed. But I've highlighted some of the new new for this

732
02:07:35.340 --> 02:07:37.470
John Compton: this renewal of the program.

733
02:07:39.470 --> 02:07:40.170
John Compton: It

734
02:07:45.500 --> 02:07:53.509
John Compton: it it. It. It just states that it's been successful up to now, and therefore we want to continue it.

735
02:07:54.270 --> 02:08:05.560
John Compton: and and here in this particular. resolved portion is it will.

736
02:08:05.700 --> 02:08:10.480
John Compton: it will, is being approved through June 30, th 2030.

737
02:08:11.430 --> 02:08:16.210
John Compton: According to the program, description and program operation in Appendix A, which

738
02:08:16.370 --> 02:08:18.960
John Compton: is attached. We'll get down to that in a moment.

739
02:08:19.708 --> 02:08:37.580
John Compton: And to this, from what you may have seen. in re reviewing it, the potential of changing the award amounts was raised. So in red, you see, award amounts.

740
02:08:37.730 --> 02:08:43.859
John Compton: May. It helps to have English here. Maybe

741
02:08:47.840 --> 02:08:48.780
Robert Booher: Adjusted.

742
02:08:49.250 --> 02:08:57.169
John Compton: Adjusted. Thank you. That was the word. I don't know where. How I lost that adjusted as appropriate. So

743
02:08:57.340 --> 02:08:59.980
John Compton: the point is, we're we're approving it here.

744
02:09:00.580 --> 02:09:08.249
John Compton: as you will see. But in subsequent years the Council would be able to change those amounts without having to

745
02:09:08.630 --> 02:09:10.780
John Compton: go through this whole business again.

746
02:09:12.570 --> 02:09:29.550
John Compton: And the way that would happen is in the last further resolve that it will be funded at 20,000 for the coming fiscal year. That's already in the budget. But for succeeding years per the amount designated for the program in the approved annual town budget.

747
02:09:29.660 --> 02:09:34.430
John Compton: meaning the the Council and the town will have to put money in

748
02:09:34.630 --> 02:09:42.659
John Compton: for the program to use, and that amount is up to the budget so it could be instead of 20. It could be

749
02:09:42.880 --> 02:09:49.170
John Compton: 40 or whatever it could change, or it could be 0, because or 0, yeah, yeah, all right.

750
02:09:49.714 --> 02:10:02.489
John Compton: Then, then going down. Now that that's the resolution. And then there's appendix a which I've lost. I'll put the appendix a back in there. This what you're seeing here was all in the original

751
02:10:03.730 --> 02:10:05.650
John Compton: The original resolution,

752
02:10:08.020 --> 02:10:25.238
John Compton: and a fair amount of it has has is still the same. But the the Sustainability Committee suggested a variety of modifications, all of which reflect, most of which reflect actual practice and

753
02:10:25.840 --> 02:10:51.909
John Compton: But there are a few substantive things, one of which is here highlighted, that the Resident will be eligible for a rebate of 10% of the cost of the vehicle up to a maximum of 1,500. So if you get an electric scooter, or whatever right you you know you're not going to get get most of it paid

754
02:10:53.010 --> 02:11:08.750
John Compton: all right. So that that was a modification. And then here's 1 that was controversial in the Sustainability Committee, and I know it probably would be discussed here, and that is that the incentive does not apply to Tesla vehicles.

755
02:11:10.533 --> 02:11:12.956
John Compton: We're. We're just going through this

756
02:11:14.050 --> 02:11:25.349
John Compton: before we have a discussion. Then there's the operation of the program. Lots of details. Many of these have just been updated for for practice. And so.

757
02:11:26.920 --> 02:11:31.679
John Compton: you know, they've all been vetted by the Sustainability Committee, and

758
02:11:32.050 --> 02:11:35.170
John Compton: a lot of those procedures were adjusted

759
02:11:35.760 --> 02:11:39.820
John Compton: because Gene Moyer, our treasurer, has to approve that

760
02:11:40.070 --> 02:11:45.690
John Compton: all of the that she has all of the paperwork before she disperses.

761
02:11:47.530 --> 02:11:59.368
John Compton: Okay, so Bob is here with questions. So well, I think we need a motion. You do. I'm about to ask for. Okay, I move to approve this. Okay, to

762
02:12:00.050 --> 02:12:05.540
John Compton: approve this resolution. Second, I'll sign no.

763
02:12:06.225 --> 02:12:11.450
John Compton: rob seconded. So Barbara has moved and seconded open for discussion.

764
02:12:13.280 --> 02:12:16.447
John Compton: So can we can we ask

765
02:12:18.140 --> 02:12:26.699
John Compton: for comment? I guess. Yes, he's he's the chair of this can. So so

766
02:12:26.930 --> 02:12:34.679
John Compton: so Bob is still there, I can. Why are we excluding Tesla's.

767
02:12:35.300 --> 02:12:48.949
Robert Booher: This was, as John pointed out, a controversial discussion in the Sustainability Committee. And and it's really a political statement is what it is. You know the the fact that

768
02:12:49.590 --> 02:12:57.390
Robert Booher: the owner of Tesla has made himself into a scourge, and

769
02:12:58.240 --> 02:13:09.520
Robert Booher: we felt the committee felt the majority of the committee felt that it was inappropriate to to encourage

770
02:13:10.370 --> 02:13:25.190
Robert Booher: him by encouraging the purchase of his vehicles. Essentially, I may add that it was. It was a very close vote, and there were very good arguments against which Dave is here, I'm sure, to express.

771
02:13:26.770 --> 02:13:39.990
John Compton: So I would like to comment on that. So, my, I support this exclusion of Tesla. And it's not just. It's not because of of the scourge. The

772
02:13:40.710 --> 02:14:04.626
John Compton: the owner of the Tesla Corporation is actively working to dismantle the Environmental Protection Agency which protects our environment. The National Institutes of health which protects our health, including poor, you know, health outcomes related to environmental factors.

773
02:14:05.240 --> 02:14:32.759
John Compton: they are working to reduce the way that the public can have input into these decisions. So for me, like environmentally, if our goal is to try to their climate change deniers. So if our goal is to try to protect the environment through this program. Why would we support a technology and a company that actively works to oppose that?

774
02:14:32.850 --> 02:14:37.600
John Compton: So I am definitely in favor of the Tesla exclusion.

775
02:14:40.370 --> 02:14:43.429
John Compton: I guess you know, like along those lines.

776
02:14:43.550 --> 02:14:45.540
John Compton: you know, my question would be.

777
02:14:45.770 --> 02:14:59.720
John Compton: you know, there are a lot of other companies out there. The Chinese vehicles are pretty much in the same boat. Right? Would we exclude those other Evs? You know, if they're not, they didn't get involved in our government

778
02:14:59.880 --> 02:15:04.615
John Compton: and here in the United States. But clearly, you know, their environmental

779
02:15:05.660 --> 02:15:11.679
John Compton: lack of environmental controls and concerns in China and producing

780
02:15:12.050 --> 02:15:19.640
John Compton: Evs, for example, or even batteries, is significant, and you know they don't care about polluting the atmosphere.

781
02:15:20.022 --> 02:15:31.589
John Compton: You know, we've even seen that a few years ago, where people have to wear a mask, because they just when they walk out of their houses they couldn't see. And then Covid hit. And then the air clearing. Yeah, you know, quality came

782
02:15:32.300 --> 02:15:38.920
John Compton: a hundred 80 degrees. So you know. And and yeah, I,

783
02:15:39.870 --> 02:15:49.159
John Compton: it just seems I I hear the argument. And and you know. And and it's not that I disagree, but you know it's a it's it's

784
02:15:52.010 --> 02:15:55.599
John Compton: There are a lot of other companies out there that are doing the same thing.

785
02:15:56.090 --> 02:16:07.147
John Compton: So are you moving to amend the proposal to exclude the Tesla exclusion? Well, right now, I'm just trying to understand why it's there, right.

786
02:16:07.790 --> 02:16:12.709
John Compton: you know. And and if we're talking about environmental impacts, you know, you know.

787
02:16:12.920 --> 02:16:23.874
John Compton: I I keep getting emails from this environmental group that talks about, you know, this might sound odd, but they want to boycott or or or

788
02:16:24.730 --> 02:16:25.650
John Compton: you know.

789
02:16:26.550 --> 02:16:47.110
John Compton: Costco for toilet paper that they're they're going down and and and you know, turning trees into paper, which is toilet tissue, and and you know and it's just being flushed down the drains they're they're talking about you know, there's a lot of environmental issues going on out there. And I think.

790
02:16:48.770 --> 02:16:53.530
John Compton: you know, going back again to the Evs. It just yeah.

791
02:16:54.760 --> 02:16:58.540
John Compton: to me it seems more political, right?

792
02:17:00.270 --> 02:17:05.779
John Compton: unless unless we want to. Really, then consider all the other Evs that are coming over here from

793
02:17:06.120 --> 02:17:11.210
John Compton: China. For example, you know, it's

794
02:17:12.309 --> 02:17:16.899
John Compton: it to me. It's just as detrimental to the environment. You know.

795
02:17:19.230 --> 02:17:40.215
John Compton: it is political, right? I mean that that's that's the point. It is a a political statement, as I understand it, that the town doesn't want to use its taxpayer money to subsidize purchases from a company that

796
02:17:41.336 --> 02:17:58.000
John Compton: many people in town I suspect majority, but don't wanna speak for that. But many people in town are opposed, and think that he is a menace, and you know a threat to

797
02:17:58.290 --> 02:18:00.120
John Compton: the the contract.

798
02:18:01.129 --> 02:18:10.149
John Compton: so that's that's the rationale, right? I mean, I don't think that there's any. I mean, maybe others who are on the the committee. Some, like

799
02:18:11.750 --> 02:18:16.750
John Compton: Dave, was supposed, and and there may be others who have different views of it, but

800
02:18:17.450 --> 02:18:23.119
John Compton: it it is a a partisan political statement. And

801
02:18:23.570 --> 02:18:29.850
John Compton: I, I'm yeah. I I think that the the question for us is is the benefit of

802
02:18:29.990 --> 02:18:49.290
John Compton: encouraging electric vehicle purchases and teslas are probably the the most common pure electric vehicle. Non non hybrid does that outweigh helping subsidize a company that many of us think our founders.

803
02:18:50.020 --> 02:18:58.830
John Compton: you know, hitting and betting slide towards authoritarians. So my 1st reaction was.

804
02:18:59.319 --> 02:19:27.460
John Compton: let me introduce myself is that you know it seems to be politicizing a document that's not supposed to be political. I mean the the the simple statement of this document is to incentivize the conversion to sustainable heating and cooling systems, renewable electricity and electrical vehicles. I mean, that is the intent purpose of this document. It's not. It's not a political statement.

805
02:19:27.549 --> 02:19:52.929
John Compton: and I was concerned. I I didn't know Fan of Trump, I mean trump must or or he never liked Tesla's to begin with, but I'm not sure our town government is the is the place to tell people what they can and can't find, and how we're going to support them in that effort of being more renewable. I mean if somebody wants to buy a Tesla

806
02:19:53.330 --> 02:19:55.610
John Compton: from somebody we don't like

807
02:19:55.760 --> 02:20:25.650
John Compton: fine, you know. They they have the same right as anybody else in this town to buy what they want, and I'm not sure the government should be telling people what they can and cannot buy with incentivize money that we are providing. I mean, we're not going to evaluate every single company that they they could be possibly buying from Air Conditioning company that the the CEO's monster, but we don't know that. But we're not gonna go and evaluate every single company that's out there

808
02:20:25.650 --> 02:20:28.669
John Compton: that just because we may not like their politics.

809
02:20:28.940 --> 02:20:31.560
John Compton: I'm not sure how. That's. You know.

810
02:20:31.660 --> 02:20:38.530
John Compton: I don't know. This feels like we're yeah. It's we're picking out an obvious monster that we obviously all hate, you know. But

811
02:20:38.930 --> 02:20:47.939
John Compton: I don't know how you you rectify that on a bigger scale, or, if you can, this whole resolution is about picking and choosing

812
02:20:47.940 --> 02:21:09.669
John Compton: the decision. This kind of technology is the best kind of technology, and we're going to help pay for it with Washington Grove tax dollars. So it is about picking and choosing, and I do think that we have a responsibility to choose responsibility responsibly. And yes, sure, there may be some companies that we're not really sure about. We don't know about, but it's pretty clear

813
02:21:10.132 --> 02:21:37.509
John Compton: tesla's information is pretty clear and in your face, and we see it every day. And it it's to me just really obvious that we should not be subsidizing Tesla. So so I look at this 2 things. One I have to say is that my neighbor used program and got a Tesla. And now I feel like, you know, I feel like there's a stigma on them, because the town's basically saying, Oh, you know you're driving a Tesla.

814
02:21:37.580 --> 02:21:45.729
John Compton: and we own the proof of that. And then and the other thing is that this this conversation here goes way beyond talking about

815
02:21:46.496 --> 02:21:48.680
John Compton: cars. This is basically

816
02:21:48.770 --> 02:22:16.620
John Compton: is is what's what's the right thing for the town to do because we're supposed to be objective because we have citizens who are Republicans, and you know we're supposed to be representing everybody at the same time. You know, we all know that the world's going in a bad direction. The country's going in a bad direction. And is Washington Grove going to get more involved? So secretly sneaking it in through? You know there's a bigger discussion. I think that's going on here

817
02:22:16.800 --> 02:22:22.370
John Compton: that we need to kind of like the Tesla ends up firing.

818
02:22:22.670 --> 02:22:29.269
John Compton: releasing musk as a controlling interest in Tesla, because there's a very good possibility. The board will push him out

819
02:22:29.430 --> 02:22:32.000
John Compton: because he's screwing up the company.

820
02:22:32.330 --> 02:22:36.609
John Compton: So does that when he gets pushed out of Tesla, do we start allowing Tesla's again.

821
02:22:36.730 --> 02:22:39.680
John Compton: I mean is it is it? Are we against Tesla or Musk.

822
02:22:39.970 --> 02:22:50.129
John Compton: I mean, and that right now we feel like they're interchangeable. But the company is a separate entity. Right? Right? Tesla, Tesla is a company that's run by a board of directors that's owned by musk.

823
02:22:50.420 --> 02:22:51.280
John Compton: So

824
02:22:58.080 --> 02:23:02.910
John Compton: yeah, well, yeah, maybe maybe I could make the comment. I I think the

825
02:23:05.360 --> 02:23:13.940
John Compton: the intention, the intent of this program is to reduce the carbon footprint of the town and

826
02:23:16.080 --> 02:23:20.210
John Compton: the Council needs to decide whether or not

827
02:23:20.450 --> 02:23:27.740
John Compton: ha! You know whether or not choices of

828
02:23:28.710 --> 02:23:38.530
John Compton: renewable energy program of renewable energy technology is a personal decision? Or do we want to get involved

829
02:23:38.870 --> 02:23:41.930
John Compton: and and and

830
02:23:44.480 --> 02:24:02.989
John Compton: preferences? Or so we prefer you. Do you know, you stay away from this company or that technology or whatever it might be. The program, as it has been put forward here, is strictly, and it is justified. It has been justified as a carbon footprint

831
02:24:03.300 --> 02:24:07.845
John Compton: reduction campaign. And

832
02:24:09.740 --> 02:24:21.250
John Compton: you know it. It seems to me that. If you want to make it a political statement as well, then you would change the programs.

833
02:24:22.500 --> 02:24:27.089
John Compton: Rationale, as the program has been proposed. It

834
02:24:27.340 --> 02:24:38.290
John Compton: stays away, and and I would say, ought to stay away from from political or or

835
02:24:39.040 --> 02:24:47.920
John Compton: vendor, or any orientation that and and stick with what is solid in in most of our

836
02:24:48.140 --> 02:24:53.370
John Compton: support, and supported by most of us, and that is to reduce the use of carbon fuels.

837
02:24:55.040 --> 02:25:01.080
John Compton: If you know there are other ways. You the the town, could make a statement concerning

838
02:25:01.560 --> 02:25:10.870
John Compton: Mr. Musk. Certainly, and we we do proclamations. We could, you know you could recommend that, you know, supporting

839
02:25:11.090 --> 02:25:18.918
John Compton: Elon musk is supporting is anti-democratic and stuff like that. But I think in the case of this program,

840
02:25:20.340 --> 02:25:25.329
John Compton: the Tesla, the Tesla electric vehicle, meets all the qualifications for the program.

841
02:25:25.840 --> 02:25:34.329
John Compton: and who owns it is not part of the equation for the program as it's been conceived.

842
02:25:38.250 --> 02:25:49.250
John Compton: Anybody else, I'd be curious to get like a poll of

843
02:25:49.550 --> 02:25:55.979
John Compton: people in town to see what they would like us to do, because I I think there's

844
02:25:57.070 --> 02:26:06.500
John Compton: arguments from both sides and I. And ultimately we are spending the town's money on this.

845
02:26:09.700 --> 02:26:14.540
John Compton: So it it may be that while people are committed to

846
02:26:15.830 --> 02:26:40.490
John Compton: reducing the town's carbon footprint through subsidizing, you know carbon reduction measures overwhelmingly, people in town don't want that money to be spent on Mosco and Tesla products, and if that's the case, then as a representative weighing things, I'd want to know that, and I don't have a good sense. I mean, I I suspect, overwhelmingly. People in town

847
02:26:40.940 --> 02:26:43.830
John Compton: share the sentiments. That sounds like, you know.

848
02:26:43.980 --> 02:26:47.560
John Compton: Many people, including me express. That we think

849
02:26:48.140 --> 02:26:56.620
John Compton: must himself is anti democratic, and maybe Tesla's are are good, but he's bad, and we don't want to spend money on that.

850
02:26:56.750 --> 02:27:05.960
John Compton: But maybe they they feel different. Maybe they, their views are are like yours and and John's and and Chris's. So I I just

851
02:27:06.360 --> 02:27:11.030
John Compton: I wonder whether, in implementing this prior to implementing this.

852
02:27:11.430 --> 02:27:14.370
John Compton: Is there a way we can? I don't know if it's through

853
02:27:15.080 --> 02:27:21.541
John Compton: the what is it called the monkey. What do you call it the sorry monkey? Yeah, sorry.

854
02:27:22.040 --> 02:27:30.240
John Compton: or or some other polling measure is try and elicit the sense of the town.

855
02:27:33.560 --> 02:27:44.510
John Compton: Given the sensitive nature and difficult time our country. The sense of the town is

856
02:27:44.750 --> 02:28:14.040
John Compton: in agreement with this. You don't need the name, put in the document because they won't buy Teslas, anyway. I mean, they're just not. Gonna I didn't make that point. It's a personal decision. It is a personal decision. But by, but everybody has the opportunity to make that decision. Anybody can attempt to influence anyone, you know. Do not buy Teslas, because it is, but that's not quite the wrong message. It's 1. It's 1 thing to say.

857
02:28:14.190 --> 02:28:17.989
John Compton: Perhaps very few people in town will

858
02:28:18.180 --> 02:28:24.289
John Compton: buy. Tesla's given the current political situation we must be doing. But for people who do.

859
02:28:24.600 --> 02:28:48.169
John Compton: If we don't have this exception, then they're gonna say, well, under this ordinance you pass. I'm entitled to a subsidy of taxpayer money, and and that's what I am not sure. If if there's overwhelmingly feelings in town against doing that, then then it sort of doesn't matter whether most people aren't going to buy, because maybe, if you will and

860
02:28:48.340 --> 02:28:54.819
John Compton: mail be in a situation where we have to give them the subsidy. Do do we have any other

861
02:28:55.220 --> 02:29:00.260
John Compton: political statements in any of our, you know, ordinances or resolutions, or anything.

862
02:29:00.380 --> 02:29:13.630
John Compton: Well, sure, I mean, 1st of all, let's not kid ourselves like the idea of combating climate change is, is not a many people view it as as politicized. I I know

863
02:29:14.610 --> 02:29:18.860
John Compton: it seems to me that it shouldn't be a partisan issue, but many people view it

864
02:29:19.090 --> 02:29:26.433
John Compton: as a partisan issue. It. But just the same way that, like there, there was heated discussion about

865
02:29:27.583 --> 02:29:30.969
John Compton: racing. I mean, it's it's and it's

866
02:29:31.734 --> 02:29:43.060
John Compton: parts of the the anti-racism resolution were heavily politicized, not necessarily like partisan like Republican versus Democrat, but just in terms of

867
02:29:43.540 --> 02:29:52.089
John Compton: you know what you think we should be doing in our politics as a country.

868
02:29:54.500 --> 02:29:57.420
John Compton: Lots of things we do. I don't think. Raise that issue like

869
02:29:57.720 --> 02:30:17.690
John Compton: awarding a landscaping contract. But you know this is one that that does, maybe because of the you know significance in our time. Right now the Council could consider putting together a statement like we did for race in support of democracy, and you know, against what's going on, and, you know, separate it out from

870
02:30:17.840 --> 02:30:46.999
John Compton: from from this. I mean, I think it's very important. And I agree with Barbara. It's very important, you know. We got to stand up to these things now, and you know, I think it's important that if that's the majority of how the town feels that maybe you know, we should figure out how to do that. But maybe this is not the best vehicle to make that. But make a better statement, you know, if you want to make a political statement as a town about what's going on. Then maybe do that.

871
02:30:47.420 --> 02:30:54.530
John Compton: you know, made a a pretty significant proposition here. If the town could. Certainly.

872
02:30:56.040 --> 02:30:58.470
John Compton: if if we could reach a consensus.

873
02:30:58.770 --> 02:31:08.239
John Compton: you know, make make sense a statement and use it to guide future decisions.

874
02:31:10.860 --> 02:31:14.600
John Compton: Makes a lot of sense. But going back to this program.

875
02:31:15.310 --> 02:31:25.240
John Compton: I think the program as it's been in existence. The program as it was approved in the town budget.

876
02:31:26.200 --> 02:31:36.719
John Compton: okay, did not include any exclusions with respect to what sort of renewable energy

877
02:31:37.350 --> 02:31:48.910
John Compton: pro technology or could be used. And I think, approving that now without comment.

878
02:31:49.080 --> 02:31:56.539
John Compton: is a mistake. I mean it would, would exclude the res residents from a voice in that decision.

879
02:31:57.220 --> 02:32:05.509
John Compton: Having said that, I'll point out that if we you prove this program without this restriction.

880
02:32:06.000 --> 02:32:10.919
John Compton: And someone anyone here, anyone at all.

881
02:32:11.270 --> 02:32:14.850
John Compton: you know, makes an issue out of this.

882
02:32:15.130 --> 02:32:20.749
John Compton: you know, out of some of the comments that Rob was making, and Barbara started.

883
02:32:20.870 --> 02:32:26.120
John Compton: Then you could come back and alter this resolution to exclude Tesla's.

884
02:32:26.750 --> 02:32:29.830
John Compton: So at this point at at this structure, I think

885
02:32:29.970 --> 02:32:36.810
John Compton: it's only reasonable to approve the program without this controversial restriction.

886
02:32:37.300 --> 02:32:42.165
John Compton: Keeping in mind that you could impose such a restriction at any time

887
02:32:42.710 --> 02:32:46.169
John Compton: in a separate way would kind of separate out the argument.

888
02:32:46.720 --> 02:32:53.519
John Compton: This thing was established for reducing the town's carbon footprint, encouraging renewable energy.

889
02:32:54.070 --> 02:33:06.210
John Compton: Okay? And then, however, you know, using it, for this particular product is against our other

890
02:33:06.560 --> 02:33:11.159
John Compton: higher held belief that the you know, if that company is supporting

891
02:33:11.360 --> 02:33:14.110
John Compton: anti democratic, or whatever sort of

892
02:33:14.370 --> 02:33:23.969
John Compton: of of policies that we don't agree with, so my suggestion is, strip it and see if

893
02:33:24.080 --> 02:33:25.770
John Compton: someone comes.

894
02:33:26.070 --> 02:33:33.230
John Compton: or in some way it comes forward objecting to the use of the money for Tesla, because at this point

895
02:33:33.520 --> 02:33:58.629
John Compton: nobody's had a chance to weigh in on this subject, and I don't believe we should delay implementing the program. I think the program should be made continuous. It can be altered at any time, and to bring it out as a point rather than kind of hidden in this. Yes, that would make it a very that was elevated to probably where we're in. The we're in the document.

896
02:33:59.420 --> 02:34:11.439
John Compton: is it? Excluded. It's in the sorry you want me to reshare. I'll show you. It's in the appendix. It's in the appendix here it is. Page 8.

897
02:34:16.040 --> 02:34:17.200
John Compton: It's up there. Now

898
02:34:23.540 --> 02:34:25.059
John Compton: search Tesla.

899
02:34:34.300 --> 02:34:37.047
John Compton: so it's been moved and seconded to

900
02:34:38.450 --> 02:34:40.120
John Compton: Approve this resolution.

901
02:34:40.380 --> 02:34:50.020
John Compton: It's been if someone wants to alter the resolution we need to motion to amend.

902
02:34:50.910 --> 02:34:58.480
John Compton: So I make a motion to to strike the statement about Tesla's exclusion.

903
02:34:59.550 --> 02:35:00.900
John Compton: So I can look at that

904
02:35:01.520 --> 02:35:09.150
John Compton: alright. Chris moved, and John seconded removing the the 3rd point here.

905
02:35:09.930 --> 02:35:11.549
John Compton: There's discussion on this

906
02:35:14.850 --> 02:35:24.410
John Compton: ready for about all in favor, then, of removing this restriction, you just raise your hand reluctantly.

907
02:35:24.830 --> 02:35:28.990
John Compton: I see 3 votes in favor, all opposed.

908
02:35:32.128 --> 02:35:39.461
John Compton: So this doesn't happen very often. That that means I'm in a position to

909
02:35:40.320 --> 02:35:46.609
John Compton: to pass the deciding vote, and I will vote in favor of removing this restriction.

910
02:35:48.070 --> 02:35:49.970
John Compton: From being the program.

911
02:35:51.290 --> 02:35:58.850
John Compton: So the restriction is the the resilience is amended. So we have the resolution left minus that

912
02:35:59.070 --> 02:36:03.290
John Compton: specification discussion about renew the renewable program.

913
02:36:05.740 --> 02:36:10.569
John Compton: We'll move to a vote on renewing the program all in favor of renewing the program.

914
02:36:11.100 --> 02:36:15.470
John Compton: Then, as this resolution points out, I see. Yes.

915
02:36:15.670 --> 02:36:19.039
John Compton: in favor. I see 4 opposed.

916
02:36:19.990 --> 02:36:23.210
John Compton: 2, the programs renewed.

917
02:36:24.840 --> 02:36:29.490
John Compton: With that one change

918
02:36:32.060 --> 02:36:36.510
John Compton: alright, and I certainly would not be opposed to. You know

919
02:36:36.720 --> 02:36:57.830
John Compton: a a discussion as to what what the town can do about about freaking out or action

920
02:36:58.170 --> 02:37:23.319
John Compton: whole of the town or something that yeah, you can generate some discussion, and whether the outcomes of that could be and doing it that way, I'd much I'd much prefer because I love when I saw that when I saw that they they put that in. I loved it, you know. Personally, I thought, well, that's awesome. We're fighting back a little bit, but probably we should do approach it

921
02:37:23.430 --> 02:37:29.600
John Compton: a little differently. Yeah, that's that's dog waste collection, Steve.

922
02:37:32.197 --> 02:37:55.870
John Compton: Oh, perfect time to start. That's just pass it then, because I could possibly get my

923
02:37:58.540 --> 02:38:03.759
John Compton: all right. We are now on to the dog waste collection stations.

924
02:38:04.070 --> 02:38:06.790
John Compton: We're not going to discuss this without a motion.

925
02:38:07.782 --> 02:38:10.229
John Compton: Motion, Peter Motion. Second.

926
02:38:10.784 --> 02:38:20.620
John Compton: I've been waiting for this. You could have made the motion. Actually, I could have. Yeah, I I gotta. I gotta sit before mirror and practice that.

927
02:38:21.130 --> 02:38:27.259
John Compton: Just say motion. You'll have to say what it is. Oh, okay, alright. What exactly are you moving.

928
02:38:27.990 --> 02:38:36.270
John Compton: So so the the plan a mo, so we're making the motion to install 4

929
02:38:36.520 --> 02:38:40.180
John Compton: dog waste stations within the town and

930
02:38:41.353 --> 02:39:05.050
John Compton: hire that this company calls to service the service, the the stations which involves making sure that cleans putting in the bags and coming on a regular basis to empty. Those and the choices are once once a week, or once every 2 weeks, depending on the pricing.

931
02:39:05.170 --> 02:39:10.290
John Compton: and I'm making the motion in this mode. I guess I have to make the motion. To say that it would be done.

932
02:39:10.690 --> 02:39:19.270
John Compton: Is that weekly or every 2 weeks in August? Right?

933
02:39:19.300 --> 02:39:25.189
John Compton: How much they use? You forgot the second? That's right.

934
02:39:25.903 --> 02:39:51.579
John Compton: So I have a question. So this is a bit from this company. Did did you get this? There is no other company that does. They do no pun intended. They do pretty much everything.

935
02:39:53.110 --> 02:40:11.870
John Compton: and their choices in terms of the the receptacles. But it just makes sense over at amity. They have the ones that are enclosed, the ones that have holes just get smelly. So it's worth the additional expense to get to get the enclosures. Oh, yeah, there we go, the admiral. If you look on Amazon at all the

936
02:40:11.870 --> 02:40:24.759
John Compton: dog stations that's pretty much at at the price that, you know we're paying. That's that's pretty much universal. There isn't much competition now. We looked at as we were trying to find ruby

937
02:40:25.300 --> 02:40:32.660
John Compton: type ones and and the thing is that we don't. We don't. Yeah, we have no trash cans in town.

938
02:40:33.120 --> 02:40:37.410
John Compton: and that which is good. That's that works out fine. But it does.

939
02:40:37.450 --> 02:41:01.200
John Compton: You know. Situation where? If you don't walk around town like, we're dog walkers. So we yeah, yeah. So I mean, yeah, it's just especially in the winter time. You see it. But it's just it's it's just disgusting. 4 locations to put the yeah. Yeah.

940
02:41:01.230 --> 02:41:09.899
John Compton: But we that was the plan is for trying to keep it away from residents. So it's kind of across the street

941
02:41:10.110 --> 02:41:14.680
John Compton: we're actually looking at where the town puts up their signage for all the events.

942
02:41:14.930 --> 02:41:32.969
John Compton: Those are like strategically key areas. And so we've kind of mirrored that we tried to find 4 locations that were not close to a resident, but we're kind of traveled. So before that we came up with which you know, you could change, one would be at the end of washington

943
02:41:33.500 --> 02:41:56.892
John Compton: and do Grove Avenue across Brown, so it would be kind of at at an intersection, but not near a resident. Another would be near the maintenance shed, because that's already people are dumping people in the can. So outside the gate, kind of by the bamboo would be a location rather than in the Park, because then people would just start trashing it so that would be more for the other would be

944
02:41:58.120 --> 02:42:10.300
John Compton: Possibly we're at Dorsey Street, where it comes in, and there's a path coming out of the woods so kind of where that path comes out. So that's not really near any residents. And the 4th kind of trying to get

945
02:42:10.400 --> 02:42:36.669
John Compton: this side of town. We thought at the corner of Chestnut and Macaulay kind of in that where we put some of the signage. So that would catch some of the majority of dog walkers. Kind of, yeah, I mean, a lot of people do from because they come from Towncrest, and from there they come through.

946
02:42:36.830 --> 02:42:53.769
John Compton: because that's where we put and that that's a very highly trafficked area around there. Yeah, I mean, the other place would be somewhere along Chestnut. But every place that you could put is either kind of a prominent place in a park or near a residence. So it was just kind of hard to find something that wasn't done.

947
02:42:53.830 --> 02:43:14.489
John Compton: and part of what this company does is they will help you. They give you flyers to kind of inform Res. You know how to help inform residents wherever they are and what they do.

948
02:43:14.490 --> 02:43:24.170
John Compton: and the importance of picking up. You know dog waste, you know, for the environment and whatever. So they'll kind of give you educational material for promoting them. Yeah.

949
02:43:24.170 --> 02:43:30.630
John Compton: And part of our part of the motion was going to be. If John didn't second it so quickly I would finish what obviously say.

950
02:43:31.438 --> 02:43:35.022
John Compton: no, it it but it is that the

951
02:43:35.770 --> 02:43:43.280
John Compton: we we could do this, you know, we get you have to buy the you buy. There's a cost upfront, right? You buy

952
02:43:43.480 --> 02:43:48.280
John Compton: the station stations, but we could also do this on a trial basis where?

953
02:43:48.701 --> 02:43:53.660
John Compton: You know, if if we think it's just not working, and then we obviously could just discontinue the service.

954
02:43:54.987 --> 02:44:03.760
John Compton: I think I think that the stations it's like 500,

955
02:44:04.030 --> 02:44:21.079
John Compton: and they provide the bags. It's not really when you think about it. And they say it's really, you know, they are very, very positive. We walk over there, and you don't see that much, not what you see here. I mean, it really makes a difference.

956
02:44:22.900 --> 02:44:36.600
John Compton: So the 500 includes the servicing. If you do it every other month, it's comes out to every other week. It comes out to about $1,700 for the year.

957
02:44:36.730 --> 02:44:40.060
John Compton: If you do it daily, it's like 2,200 for the year

958
02:44:40.300 --> 02:44:52.589
John Compton: for them to come once a week is about 20. Once once a week is 31 for the year. Every other week is 17.

959
02:44:52.910 --> 02:45:02.559
John Compton: So they come, they clean them, they they replace the bags. Yeah, I mean, I I would say, start it every other week. And then, if we, you know, find that we need it more often.

960
02:45:03.164 --> 02:45:20.079
John Compton: If I could just give like just feedback from our maintenance. People who actually travel over the entire world. I know Steve, like 2 years ago, was saying, how disgusting it is when he cuts the lawn. He he literally would get these.

961
02:45:20.360 --> 02:45:25.170
John Compton: you know, shooting back at him, and then and then like, after that, he said. You know what

962
02:45:25.270 --> 02:45:32.390
John Compton: I don't care. I don't shower. I it's just I can't control it today. You know the old Rj. Jim. Jim Quinn.

963
02:45:32.480 --> 02:45:58.669
John Compton: I didn't bring this up. He even just like mentioned the fact that he knows there's a person that continually leaves a big green. He knew the bag specifically just mentioned that today. And it's just like, if you don't. If you don't walk the grove a lot, you don't really see it, but it's disgusting to see piles. It's disgusting to have somebody

964
02:45:58.670 --> 02:46:04.299
John Compton: put that stuff in the bag and then just leave it like some servants gonna come and pick, and somebody's gonna pick it up

965
02:46:04.360 --> 02:46:10.239
John Compton: and and not everybody's gonna use them. But certainly somebody will. So it's gotta be better than than not

966
02:46:11.490 --> 02:46:17.770
John Compton: unless we can get video cameras throughout the group. Or do the DNA testing DNA testing. That's the other option.

967
02:46:18.070 --> 02:46:23.810
John Compton: Yeah. So come to the meeting on Thursday at 10

968
02:46:24.060 --> 02:46:28.160
John Compton: video surveillance. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.

969
02:46:28.300 --> 02:46:34.220
John Compton: Well, I I think I think, as in as in any

970
02:46:34.320 --> 02:46:38.810
John Compton: being, the thing which you know is we'll we'll have.

971
02:46:39.950 --> 02:46:52.479
John Compton: It's hard to predict how successful it will be. We ought to give it. We ought to just do it in a trial way, and I I would recommend the council go for 2 placed in very

972
02:46:52.830 --> 02:47:04.372
John Compton: certainly the one in, in, on center makes sense, and then, wherever you think is most center

973
02:47:05.480 --> 02:47:07.050
John Compton: and then you know

974
02:47:09.520 --> 02:47:23.220
John Compton: the other end of I mean the the other proposal was at Brown and and Morgan Park, Brown and Maple Avenue, or you know we're paying. It's whether it's right. The service, whether you have 2 or 4.

975
02:47:23.460 --> 02:47:26.239
John Compton: It's just the servicing is the same price. Right?

976
02:47:26.830 --> 02:47:28.230
John Compton: Yeah, that's my.

977
02:47:29.770 --> 02:47:39.949
John Compton: Probably I doubt that there's much of it. No, because they have to have the person come out here. So we're talking about. They've quoted you for 4 police station. Yeah.

978
02:47:40.360 --> 02:47:45.569
John Compton: But I'm saying that the service is the services on the difference. I don't know. 2 is just not.

979
02:47:46.260 --> 02:47:55.501
John Compton: and it's like it's a thousand dollars. But we shouldn't be talking about that unless there's a motion, unless one of the customers has a motion for it. So

980
02:47:56.080 --> 02:48:08.199
John Compton: oh, is there another motion that's been introduced? We did for 4 right? But every other day. Oh, let's reduce it to 2. So somebody needs to. We need to motion. Make another motion. If somebody wants to do that

981
02:48:08.500 --> 02:48:12.810
John Compton: what we could. What we can is so we can discuss

982
02:48:13.630 --> 02:48:29.000
John Compton: contacts of 4. You can talk about 2. But the point is that Barbara's just saying we can't vote on. There's no proposal on 2, right until there's a formal amendment. Yeah. Yeah. But talking about 2 could change the way we vote?

983
02:48:29.190 --> 02:48:32.539
John Compton: I don't. I? I think if you're gonna do it for the additional

984
02:48:32.890 --> 02:48:42.560
John Compton: $1,000, it just makes sense to cover most of the areas right? Because they have 2 at Shady Grove crossing, and they're much smaller. Obviously.

985
02:48:42.670 --> 02:48:44.969
John Compton: they're they're pretty pretty simple.

986
02:48:46.580 --> 02:49:16.059
John Compton: Well, the other point of information. Once we buy these, yeah, probably. Yeah. Has anybody looked on Craigslist. For all we know, there are 200.

987
02:49:16.330 --> 02:49:17.170
John Compton: Yeah.

988
02:49:20.930 --> 02:49:25.870
John Compton: well, I'm I'm just going to express my opinion. It's I think it's touch and go. Whether this will.

989
02:49:26.280 --> 02:49:37.159
John Compton: yeah, actually reduce these anecdotal incidents of people just

990
02:49:37.680 --> 02:50:00.679
John Compton: being, you know, being inconsiderate enough. Not they put it in a bag, and then they leave the bag. Well, you can never tell where where your dog is going to need to relieve himself. Now, if you're 5 blocks, or you know, some so many streets away from one of these stations. If they're not carrying it back home.

991
02:50:00.680 --> 02:50:10.470
John Compton: they're not going to carry it to the stage. That's true. That is they. They will just not. That's not true. Because we walk. When we walk our dogs

992
02:50:10.470 --> 02:50:27.240
John Compton: we will go specifically over to the ones that are at the end of amity to deposit our bags. So we don't have to take them on. I mean, that's just the reality. Design your route to go by to go buy one. Yes, yeah, they have them all through the town. We have probably about 10 or

993
02:50:27.260 --> 02:50:32.384
John Compton: 12. 0, we, when we had talked you could never tell when Reese was.

994
02:50:32.790 --> 02:50:46.070
John Compton: No, but you always have a you always have a bag. I always have a bag in my town until we got back home. Our dog, you just said, Go now, can we? Can we call the question here? Let's vote on it. Yeah.

995
02:50:46.300 --> 02:50:53.250
John Compton: okay, I just want to summarize what we're in for. It's there's a cost for the bags which looks trivial.

996
02:50:53.942 --> 02:51:11.710
John Compton: It may be an ongoing, ongoing cost, but it'll be. It'll for the annual cost. It's about $1,800. This doesn't include tax, so call it 2,000, and the cost of the 4 stations about 2,500. So 4,500 is the fiscal impact.

997
02:51:11.780 --> 02:51:30.049
John Compton: Plus, we have to get them installed. They're installing. Okay. So there's no extra expense for installing, and that's that's cleaning every 2 weeks, and that for for a year, and if if we gave it up you'd get you wouldn't spend all of that $2,000 annual

998
02:51:30.050 --> 02:51:46.150
John Compton: right? And there's no fixed term. Contract. Cancellation of services requires a 30 day written notice. There also is is because I was reading up on this when you look at the numbers, the environmental impact

999
02:51:46.556 --> 02:51:59.313
John Compton: them disposing of it versus it going in. You know. I'm sure they exaggerate, but it's still pretty impressive. And I think that this could you know, we could probably get Bob

1000
02:51:59.980 --> 02:52:05.910
John Compton: sustainability. These are not biodegradable bags or anything like that.

1001
02:52:06.250 --> 02:52:09.800
John Compton: You can say, there we go!

1002
02:52:13.810 --> 02:52:16.259
John Compton: Anybody else have any other comments?

1003
02:52:16.910 --> 02:52:27.829
John Compton: No move to a vote on the purchasing installation of 4 admiral value waste stations

1004
02:52:28.130 --> 02:52:37.379
John Compton: and and the service to pick up the waste bi-weekly favor. Oh.

1005
02:52:39.667 --> 02:52:53.436
John Compton: so let's see the mechanics of this.

1006
02:52:57.370 --> 02:53:09.479
John Compton: okay, and if there's a con. There's no contract, is there a contract? And I need to. We. I need to sign the contract. Okay, we're we're going to. We've been Lucy, about some of these contracts.

1007
02:53:10.800 --> 02:53:13.039
John Compton: They really need to be shined by.

1008
02:53:13.330 --> 02:53:17.250
John Compton: You know me or Jean. Oh, my! My authority.

1009
02:53:18.590 --> 02:53:19.930
John Compton: Okay, all right.

1010
02:53:20.240 --> 02:53:29.790
John Compton: And just just so we can be clear. Are those the the locations? Okay for everybody that we propose is that part of the I mean, I think this one should be on

1011
02:53:30.590 --> 02:53:35.009
John Compton: Grove, but on the park side

1012
02:53:35.340 --> 02:53:46.570
John Compton: I don't know what you're worried about, and it has to be visible, and it has to be accessible. No, that's fine. Yeah. I was just I just didn't. You know. I just thought I would definitely put it on the road visible. Okay?

1013
02:53:46.770 --> 02:53:52.110
John Compton: Well, but they'll they'll come in, and they they will give us advice also.

1014
02:53:52.250 --> 02:53:57.330
John Compton: They don't know what kind of advice can. They can't be useful.

1015
02:53:57.650 --> 02:54:20.230
John Compton: They would move to them right. If we had well, that's the other thing is they could. We don't have to move them in front of your house. By the way, yeah, put it in front of Peter. I already have a poop station at my house. Okay, great.

1016
02:54:20.230 --> 02:54:22.300
Jean Moyer: Go in the budget. John.

1017
02:54:22.780 --> 02:54:23.610
John Compton: Sorry.

1018
02:54:23.610 --> 02:54:25.559
Jean Moyer: Where is this going in the budget.

1019
02:54:27.892 --> 02:54:35.020
John Compton: Underdog way we'll have to find a solution to.

1020
02:54:35.440 --> 02:54:35.890
Jean Moyer: The slash.

1021
02:54:36.380 --> 02:54:38.170
Jean Moyer: Don't have slush funds, John.

1022
02:54:38.170 --> 02:54:43.540
John Compton: Oh, sorry. We'll have to find a budget category to handle dog ways.

1023
02:54:43.810 --> 02:54:50.829
John Compton: Probably it could be park maintenance, you know. It's it's you know we're we're maintaining grounds. But.

1024
02:54:50.830 --> 02:54:51.520
Jean Moyer: Okay.

1025
02:54:51.520 --> 02:55:03.690
John Compton: By by, you know, reducing animal waste. But we're on to council reports in which there are none.

1026
02:55:05.440 --> 02:55:12.080
John Compton: Yes, under new business. Yes, we are.

1027
02:55:12.360 --> 02:55:17.950
John Compton: Yeah, we've had the challenge, has had few phone calls asking

1028
02:55:18.420 --> 02:55:27.370
John Compton: any kind of service, for big, gigantic leaves are going to be. You know, we know the big trees are being taken care of.

1029
02:55:27.520 --> 02:55:36.796
John Compton: There's been a lot of of waste, not limbs and leaves from the

1030
02:55:38.040 --> 02:55:44.449
John Compton: yeah yeah down tree limb debris.

1031
02:55:44.560 --> 02:56:02.499
John Compton: Yeah, right? But that's what we who took care of Tom Walls took care of the tree outside. Yeah, people are people are asking.

1032
02:56:02.760 --> 02:56:09.550
John Compton: and who is? Who are these inquiries from Resin Resident?

1033
02:56:09.820 --> 02:56:24.459
John Compton: We don't collect private quite a while ago. We don't do it, so the answer is, no

1034
02:56:31.720 --> 02:56:38.290
John Compton: You know we we could contract for service to

1035
02:56:38.900 --> 02:56:42.480
John Compton: as needed. That is, a storm comes through, and

1036
02:56:42.610 --> 02:56:57.890
John Compton: lots of stuff appears on the side of the roads. Yeah, certainly. I saw. I saw plenty of residents dragging ranches out to the road from their property. Yeah, yeah. So those will be collected

1037
02:56:58.790 --> 02:57:04.249
John Compton: unless we drag them back, because because it's already included in the waste in the contract.

1038
02:57:04.480 --> 02:57:16.220
John Compton: No, no, it's not because Rj. Doesn't know. You know we will. We will contract with Rj. To pick up all the limbs on the road along the road.

1039
02:57:16.340 --> 02:57:20.159
John Compton: Well, they can't cut the grass. Yeah, they have. They have to pick it up. They are

1040
02:57:20.887 --> 02:57:22.649
John Compton: about that? No?

1041
02:57:23.180 --> 02:57:39.590
John Compton: Well, then, that's the question. Is, Rj, can can provide provide that service. But you, you know, that's we would have to. Yeah, we have to pay extra for that. We would have to. It's an amenity we could offer our citizens if we wanted to, you know, to do that. But we have to

1042
02:57:39.960 --> 02:57:46.940
John Compton: storm came through. People are needing that service now, that's what it sounds like. So would we, would we?

1043
02:57:48.890 --> 02:57:58.259
John Compton: But then, every time somebody has a problem with the tree or something. Well, I mean, this is, yeah, yeah, this is

1044
02:58:00.890 --> 02:58:03.949
John Compton: okay. So here's what we do about that.

1045
02:58:05.530 --> 02:58:10.759
John Compton: We will, we. We. I'm just a proposal. We can schedule a

1046
02:58:11.280 --> 02:58:17.770
John Compton: a vegetation debris. I don't know how you call it tree limbs

1047
02:58:18.230 --> 02:58:23.819
John Compton: pick up, for whenever did it. Whatever date, rj.

1048
02:58:24.920 --> 02:58:28.279
John Compton: you can arrange with Rj, we'll send out an alert

1049
02:58:28.480 --> 02:58:32.159
John Compton: that anything you know that came down.

1050
02:58:32.370 --> 02:58:37.429
John Compton: If it's on the roadway that day it will be picked up.

1051
02:58:39.520 --> 02:59:01.719
John Compton: Great. Yeah, I think that okay, to get the date, though, we need, we need, you know them to agree. They can sweep through the town and get whatever they they do it, anyway. But yeah, but people, I mean, people could just like, go and take it could be abused. That's the only problem, and it could get ridiculous. But people collect all that junk

1052
02:59:01.720 --> 02:59:20.319
John Compton: and wait for a storm seriously, because what's that? You don't know? You don't know. You don't know what. No, no, here's what we'll do. If Jim can do it later this week. Yeah, it'll be fresh stuff. Anything that's dried will not be picked up.

1053
02:59:20.330 --> 02:59:23.640
John Compton: This is only storm.

1054
02:59:25.377 --> 02:59:40.420
John Compton: I mean, I can't go back there. I I collect a pile of branches and stuff, and I just pile up the branches, and eventually it'll get big enough where I'll have to haul them away

1055
02:59:40.520 --> 02:59:46.930
John Compton: alright. But I'm I'm not putting them out for anybody else to haul away, and those I wouldn't pull those out because they're not

1056
02:59:48.000 --> 03:00:16.680
John Compton: live, I mean, you, you can tell the difference something's been there for a year and something just fell. Yeah, that's thank you. Okay, all right. And we only have, like one or 2 of those a year. Let's just do it, you know, because it's obviously there was a lot. So you so a new business you already mentioned this. So just one. Just, I just want to give a quick update of the basketball court. If that's okay.

1057
03:00:17.198 --> 03:00:30.399
John Compton: I do that. Okay. So we've met Steve and I met with 2, and I met with the 3.rd So 3 vendors have come in to look at the courts. The bids are of the pricing they gave us

1058
03:00:30.520 --> 03:00:37.849
John Compton: is 32,000, 24,000, and 15,000 sounds just like the object

1059
03:00:38.270 --> 03:00:44.224
John Compton: bids. And it's very different things that they're gonna do. I sent Rob,

1060
03:00:45.060 --> 03:01:11.950
John Compton: I I basically, I took the stonewall, the proposal and basically clean it out. And all it's saying is, resurface the basketball court. And so all these 3 vendors have all come and looked at it so that it's basically unlike doing the service for the town. This is basically apples and apples, because this is a court. It's got a big crack going through it, and it's got to be resurfaced, and all 3 have different styles for what they're doing.

1061
03:01:12.170 --> 03:01:29.900
John Compton: and so I would like to get this off my plate. And so what I'd like to do is with Rob's help, maybe. Confirm that the Rfp. Looks okay and send it out to these 3 companies, and they can respond back and then we can

1062
03:01:30.250 --> 03:01:46.209
John Compton: have a discussion and move forward with it. And I know we're not gonna have the funding until the next fiscal year. But I don't want to wait of a thousand years to get this done. I just want to get done with it, and we're all the work's been done, and the expense of of asphalt

1063
03:01:46.380 --> 03:02:13.689
John Compton: is going up like crazy. And so the $15,000 is is is a fantastic bid. And Steve you know, Steve, like the company, their tech what they're gonna do. I think that we could pick which of the 3 we wouldn't spend 30,000. That's great, but I think that the sooner we do it the better. It's gonna be as far as saving money, plus it's gonna look great. It'd be nice if we could have it done before the summer is over.

1064
03:02:14.330 --> 03:02:40.099
John Compton: That's it. So are you gonna bring the draft Rfp. To the Council for approval. I don't know how I was just gonna go with Rob if we could do it, but yes, if we can do it by the next meeting, and there's anything I can do in advance. I don't know what that would be, but I'll talk to John and rob and see. And yeah, we can move forward with that then.

1065
03:02:40.830 --> 03:03:00.460
John Compton: but it's like pretty excited. 1st I thought it was a waste of time and money. But then, when I look really, I never really looked at the court that carefully. It is disgusting, and it's really the the playground looks nice. It's like everything is really coming together nicely, and the playground Committee is very enthused about what they're doing. So I think this will give them some motivation, too.

1066
03:03:00.860 --> 03:03:02.180
John Compton: So we're good.

1067
03:03:03.080 --> 03:03:04.040
John Compton: Thank you.

1068
03:03:06.957 --> 03:03:10.230
John Compton: What's next? This is a record meeting for us, isn't it?

1069
03:03:11.447 --> 03:03:25.279
John Compton: No, it could be, hey? Sounds like a challenge about an hour short.

1070
03:03:27.734 --> 03:03:40.015
John Compton: The next meeting will be June 9.th On Monday, at 7 30, a hybrid meeting, preceded by the public hearing on

1071
03:03:40.820 --> 03:03:49.400
John Compton: defense ordinance, 2,025. Dash! Oh, okay, alright.

1072
03:03:49.860 --> 03:04:00.879
John Compton: and anything else hearing none. Another adjourn. Thank you, everybody.

1073
03:04:01.630 --> 03:04:03.579
John Compton: Man, time for dinner. Now.