WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.410 --> 00:00:01.260 John Compton: Yeah. 2 00:00:02.550 --> 00:00:04.500 John Compton: the occultations. 3 00:00:04.510 --> 00:00:24.370 John Compton: Georgette, can you hear me? Hey, John. 4 00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:27.529 John Compton: Yes, you can, so you're already letting people in? 5 00:00:27.990 --> 00:00:28.680 John Compton: Nice. 6 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:35.790 John Compton: But it was also… it lasted forever. And that was petitions, and a medal with citations. 7 00:00:37.230 --> 00:00:45.899 John Compton: Oh, they're all in the remaining room. I'll give you… it's actually helping. 8 00:00:46.230 --> 00:00:55.450 John Compton: I actually watched them, too. What? Where is she? Bingo is. Spicy. Spicy. 9 00:00:55.640 --> 00:01:01.199 John Compton: Oh, wow. Soaked in vodka, right? 10 00:01:01.370 --> 00:01:04.040 John Compton: That'd need some extra healthy. That would be good. 11 00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:09.070 John Compton: Yeah, well… There's something active in there. 12 00:01:10.540 --> 00:01:16.240 John Compton: Nice to meet you, Meg. Co-host there, finally. 13 00:01:17.020 --> 00:01:18.909 John Compton: Yeah, no, you can't do that. 14 00:01:26.390 --> 00:01:28.510 John Compton: Okay, good. All right. 15 00:01:29.150 --> 00:01:30.080 John Compton: Is that anything. 16 00:01:30.290 --> 00:01:31.459 John Compton: I'll say that to you. 17 00:01:32.330 --> 00:01:44.349 John Compton: I'm moving your head up and down, up and down, that way, okay. 18 00:01:47.070 --> 00:01:47.930 John Compton: Jesse? 19 00:01:48.570 --> 00:01:57.950 John Compton: You're looking for… I'm just about a game. 20 00:01:58.380 --> 00:02:11.690 John Compton: It's good for us. 21 00:02:13.950 --> 00:02:21.910 John Compton: When you got office there? 22 00:02:22.140 --> 00:02:25.230 John Compton: Yes, ma'am, do that. 23 00:02:25.820 --> 00:02:27.780 John Compton: It'll be that. 24 00:02:28.050 --> 00:02:48.470 John Compton: Are you kidding? Yeah. But obviously it is, because people are getting… Okay, good point. Never mind. 25 00:02:48.650 --> 00:02:52.609 John Compton: You're writing, sir. Where are you, sir? 26 00:02:53.980 --> 00:03:08.890 John Compton: We did… I mean, we did a Catholic country during bicentennial, they sent off your letters. Well, it's the 17th century, 1976. 27 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:15.880 John Compton: How many people on the road? 28 00:03:16.130 --> 00:03:17.549 John Compton: version of them. 29 00:03:18.480 --> 00:03:35.079 John Compton: Different age groups, or… Okay, see, okay. Well, you know, it's not easy to sit, like, what, 2 months old. College kids. You have to take care of them all? College kids, he's a chaperone. 30 00:03:35.990 --> 00:03:40.820 John Compton: No, I'm not a physician. 31 00:03:41.770 --> 00:03:44.790 John Compton: Well, you have to do both if you're doing college kids. 32 00:03:45.720 --> 00:04:04.220 John Compton: You have to know about drugs. Do I gotta have ODs, and what ones they can and can't ask, what's legal, what's not, depending on… Well, that's actually the first thing I ask, is which states have what legalities, or… Really? Yeah, that's true, that's interesting, yeah. It's still illegal some places? Yeah. 33 00:04:04.660 --> 00:04:08.869 John Compton: Honestly, I haven't kept up with it since literally we'll send it. 34 00:04:11.270 --> 00:04:17.130 John Compton: Most of them are illegal East in Mississippi, most of them are legal west in Mississippi. 35 00:04:17.310 --> 00:04:21.519 John Compton: But most of them are illegal. Egypt was Mrs. Right, and West is more illegal. 36 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.270 John Compton: Virginia! Virginia! 37 00:04:26.460 --> 00:04:29.830 John Compton: That's it, but they never established a way of distributing it. 38 00:04:30.070 --> 00:04:32.559 John Compton: So, you still can't buy it quickly. 39 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:36.809 John Compton: Colorado Singapore is in control of it. 40 00:04:37.940 --> 00:04:39.440 John Compton: We don't have 13. 41 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:40.300 John Compton: No. 42 00:04:40.910 --> 00:04:43.010 John Compton: At least you don't even. 43 00:04:43.450 --> 00:04:46.850 John Compton: I don't think we're only two plants, and… Not bad. 44 00:04:47.540 --> 00:04:49.280 John Compton: That is far from particular. 45 00:04:49.630 --> 00:04:52.630 John Compton: I'd go college, yeah. 46 00:04:52.950 --> 00:05:02.930 John Compton: You were on this side or outside? I've never done it. I don't even know where you get… I don't know where you get the seats from and all that stuff. Yes, ChatGPT. 47 00:05:03.050 --> 00:05:15.029 John Compton: I remember the old days when you used to have, like, a jitter, and a seed would exp… they had the seed in the path, yeah, yeah. That's a long time ago. 48 00:05:16.100 --> 00:05:23.710 John Compton: You're like, well, even though the wrong chimney. 49 00:05:27.630 --> 00:05:44.120 John Compton: 12 years of Catholic school, not college. College was, like, as liberal arts as you can get. Oh, I went to Catholic College. Oh, really? In Ballon? 50 00:05:44.820 --> 00:05:48.460 John Compton: The one? No, Chicago. Huh. 51 00:05:50.520 --> 00:05:56.070 John Compton: Okay, would everybody hear me, please? I hope. 52 00:05:56.480 --> 00:06:04.640 John Compton: Right? Well, we have quite the turnout. There's 44… Connections? 53 00:06:04.760 --> 00:06:06.289 John Compton: Moving a few from here. 54 00:06:06.410 --> 00:06:09.720 John Compton: So this is, the call to order. 55 00:06:09.960 --> 00:06:17.320 John Compton: In the room, we have Nick Patron, Councilman Patron, Peter Nagraj. 56 00:06:17.780 --> 00:06:21.130 John Compton: Mary Warfield, Josh Border, Chris Grisham. 57 00:06:21.290 --> 00:06:27.320 John Compton: And Barbara is over here, online, somewhere… 58 00:06:27.520 --> 00:06:30.450 John Compton: In Colorado still, or wherever she is? 59 00:06:30.540 --> 00:06:31.430 Barbara: Yes. 60 00:06:31.520 --> 00:06:33.200 John Compton: We also have, 61 00:06:33.530 --> 00:06:47.160 John Compton: Our new town administrator, Anna Burke. Over there, and, our… Old, old, Old Town Clark. 62 00:06:47.180 --> 00:06:53.799 John Compton: The term is long time. It all applies. 63 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:56.120 John Compton: And Bessie Klinger is here. 64 00:06:56.280 --> 00:07:03.210 John Compton: Okay, and Treasurer, gene Wires, as well, and a host of the rest of you. 65 00:07:03.320 --> 00:07:09.050 John Compton: Okay, so, first item of business is to approve the, 66 00:07:09.180 --> 00:07:13.849 John Compton: agenda, which, I'm going to show you because I've modified it. 67 00:07:14.140 --> 00:07:19.350 John Compton: I just use it a little slightly, yeah, I'm sorry. 68 00:07:21.760 --> 00:07:28.039 John Compton: Not… not terribly much. I propose to move up Yeah, you're not concerned. 69 00:07:28.990 --> 00:07:36.290 John Compton: Move up the item on, on the Resolution 2026-05, drive-by accidents. 70 00:07:36.620 --> 00:07:40.079 John Compton: 4503, Macaulay. 71 00:07:40.320 --> 00:07:43.100 John Compton: Up to the top of the, 72 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:52.010 John Compton: of the business, I don't know how many people were here to speak to that, but I think, we have, we have some, 73 00:07:52.510 --> 00:07:57.710 John Compton: developments that, Council, Knows it out. 74 00:07:58.620 --> 00:08:03.480 John Compton: Alright, otherwise, everything's pretty much the same as, 75 00:08:04.220 --> 00:08:10.160 John Compton: As was disseminated earlier. So, I need a motion to approve this. Motion to the vote. Mary? 76 00:08:10.460 --> 00:08:13.649 John Compton: Was there any other… any comments about the resolution? 77 00:08:13.860 --> 00:08:19.739 John Compton: I'm in the agenda. All in favor of approving the agenda? Yeah, Barbara. 78 00:08:19.940 --> 00:08:35.589 John Compton: Yeah. Wondering whether she should raise her… there we go. Okay, so the agenda's perfect. All right, so, the first item of business, is, the resolution 26… 202605 that was introduced 79 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:38.129 John Compton: On May 18th. 80 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:46.049 John Compton: rich, Proposed to, alter the driveway, 81 00:08:46.290 --> 00:08:53.440 John Compton: the, the, the current walkways by, fire, 503 and the Charleston's property. 82 00:08:54.090 --> 00:09:03.399 John Compton: However, since the meeting, the matter has been under discussion, and, 83 00:09:04.850 --> 00:09:18.770 John Compton: I and the town's attorney and the Charleston's attorney met, and, we, are all looking for a way to get this resolved as quickly as possible with as little 84 00:09:19.640 --> 00:09:28.040 John Compton: Fallout, as can be managed. And, it looks like, we have some, So… 85 00:09:28.140 --> 00:09:32.750 John Compton: Some good prospects of doing that, but it's going to take… 86 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:42.960 John Compton: a little time to hammer something out. The idea, supposing we were to come to an agreement, would… would… would basically, 87 00:09:43.590 --> 00:09:49.269 John Compton: I have the Council approving the… engaging in an agreement 88 00:09:49.360 --> 00:10:04.799 John Compton: whatever that entails to solve the issue. There may be things that take longer than 3 weeks, and but… but that would, that would send us off to… to finish it off, or it may… we may just be approving 89 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:08.309 John Compton: An agreement that's already been, 90 00:10:08.740 --> 00:10:12.139 John Compton: realize. Anyway, we're in negotiation, 91 00:10:12.590 --> 00:10:15.730 John Compton: On how to solve this problem. 92 00:10:15.890 --> 00:10:20.490 John Compton: And I, you know, would appreciate that the Council defer. 93 00:10:20.650 --> 00:10:24.459 John Compton: Any discussion, amendment, or action until July or July? 94 00:10:25.550 --> 00:10:28.350 John Compton: play out. I'll make a motion to defer. 95 00:10:28.510 --> 00:10:33.890 John Compton: We should do this through a motion, right? Yes, okay, so I'll make the motion to defer until July. 96 00:10:34.150 --> 00:10:36.319 John Compton: I don't know, I'll come to this. I'll second that. 97 00:10:36.950 --> 00:10:39.620 John Compton: Anybody have any comments to make on that? 98 00:10:40.850 --> 00:10:50.340 Barbara: This is Barbara. I just want to voice my support for that, because, you know, for the reasons that you gave, you know, we can't wrap this up tonight, so I definitely support this motion. 99 00:10:51.540 --> 00:10:52.420 John Compton: Good, alright. 100 00:10:52.860 --> 00:10:53.780 John Compton: You ready? 101 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:58.999 John Compton: In that case, let's move to a vote. All in favor of the motion to defer. 102 00:10:59.690 --> 00:11:03.299 John Compton: Alright, that's unanimous. So, we will, 103 00:11:03.470 --> 00:11:08.109 John Compton: get back to this on July 13th, I believe, is meeting. 104 00:11:09.150 --> 00:11:10.040 John Compton: Alright. 105 00:11:10.730 --> 00:11:27.779 John Compton: Next thing on the… we go now back to regular business. I guess I'm still showing you this number, so we don't actually need to see the agenda anymore. Approval of the minute… of minutes, unfortunately, we… between… 106 00:11:27.900 --> 00:11:29.380 John Compton: Between, 107 00:11:29.570 --> 00:11:39.610 John Compton: Kathy, our new town administrator, and maybe go on there and around the South Dallas, we can get the minutes, put together, so they'll have to wait until next time. 108 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:44.429 John Compton: All right, moving on to public appearances. 109 00:11:45.050 --> 00:11:50.200 John Compton: We'll now hear from anyone. Remember, the limit limit is, 110 00:11:50.420 --> 00:11:54.299 John Compton: 3 minutes, the subject of your… 111 00:11:54.400 --> 00:12:01.729 John Compton: You're choosing, so do we have people here who would like to make a public appearance? I need to… we either… 112 00:12:01.890 --> 00:12:04.990 John Compton: Raise your hand, electronically. 113 00:12:05.210 --> 00:12:06.440 John Compton: Please check for me. 114 00:12:07.620 --> 00:12:08.830 John Compton: And the other way. 115 00:12:10.070 --> 00:12:11.970 John Compton: I'm not seeing any. 116 00:12:12.750 --> 00:12:13.960 John Compton: That's awesome. 117 00:12:15.030 --> 00:12:19.099 John Compton: Anybody seeing any? Nobody? I don't care. 118 00:12:19.400 --> 00:12:22.219 John Compton: Sure. Oh, I bet you'd be third, yeah. 119 00:12:22.330 --> 00:12:25.510 John Compton: Yeah, we have Betsy here in the council. 120 00:12:25.690 --> 00:12:30.329 John Compton: A packed council room, it's got Betsy. 121 00:12:30.610 --> 00:12:32.050 John Compton: I printed it out. 122 00:12:32.500 --> 00:12:35.199 John Compton: Okay. To give it to you. 123 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:40.800 John Compton: to Mayor John Compton, or Town Council, I'm concerned about the decision 124 00:12:41.490 --> 00:12:49.939 John Compton: how the decision was made about the Challenge House of Prudentary Macaulay, and especially about the fact it was not properly communicated. 125 00:12:50.340 --> 00:13:01.709 John Compton: I find it unneighbourly and disturbing that the mayor and Council had apparently identified the use of 6th Avenue as a problem, and did not, at that point, bring Mary and Charlie into the loop. 126 00:13:01.900 --> 00:13:11.999 John Compton: Instead, they wrote the resolution preventing them from using it as part of their driveway at a town council meeting held a full two weeks after the house had been put under contract. 127 00:13:13.060 --> 00:13:19.469 John Compton: The issue was also not listed on the agenda for the meeting, so this was completely in the dark. 128 00:13:21.030 --> 00:13:30.260 John Compton: Such a thing cannot be justified. The town owes the Tallstroms a public apology, and I believe some financial gift as compensation for the loss of the con… 129 00:13:31.610 --> 00:13:32.800 John Compton: That's clear. 130 00:13:34.140 --> 00:13:34.930 John Compton: Okay. 131 00:13:38.270 --> 00:13:43.170 John Compton: Are you submitting that to our committee? You want me to hand it to me? Yes, hand it to me. 132 00:13:43.890 --> 00:13:48.060 John Compton: Somebody there? Yeah, so we can… Put it in a match. 133 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:49.030 John Compton: Love it. 134 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:51.860 John Compton: Okay, anybody else? 135 00:13:55.790 --> 00:14:00.730 John Compton: Seeing no one, then we'll call the public appearances to a close, and move on. 136 00:14:00.950 --> 00:14:03.200 John Compton: to, the Treasurer's report. 137 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:06.439 John Compton: Jane is here. 138 00:14:07.150 --> 00:14:10.000 John Compton: And we'll speak to her report. 139 00:14:14.050 --> 00:14:21.619 Jean Moyer: The… Primary… expense that I think I will make a comment on. 140 00:14:21.790 --> 00:14:32.279 Jean Moyer: It's noted in the notes to the right, but, in, it's page 2, John, at the top. 141 00:14:32.830 --> 00:14:41.669 Jean Moyer: Office equipment that's in the executive, which is town management area, 142 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:57.710 Jean Moyer: We had budgeted for a laptop for Anna in the fiscal 27 year, but it just seemed prudent to have her start June 1st, rather than waiting till July 1st. 143 00:14:57.900 --> 00:15:05.330 Jean Moyer: So, getting her laptop, ended up being in fiscal 26. 144 00:15:05.450 --> 00:15:12.339 Jean Moyer: And other than that, there's nothing new to comment on beyond what 145 00:15:12.610 --> 00:15:15.429 Jean Moyer: Has been there, month after month. 146 00:15:15.610 --> 00:15:26.290 Jean Moyer: You know, you might notice the Medicare and Social Security expenses at the very bottom, page 5. 147 00:15:28.780 --> 00:15:40.500 Jean Moyer: are above budget, and that really is due to the unexpected, sprinkler repair work, because we had both Steve and Dane 148 00:15:40.580 --> 00:15:49.399 Jean Moyer: Working for the town on that, and anytime you have paid staff, the payroll taxes, comes along with it. 149 00:15:49.630 --> 00:15:53.219 Jean Moyer: And we didn't anticipate, 150 00:15:54.810 --> 00:16:04.580 Jean Moyer: needing that when we created the fiscal 26 budget. So, those are both over, and that is the reason. For that. 151 00:16:04.940 --> 00:16:10.600 Jean Moyer: We have finally started working on the stormwater work. 152 00:16:10.850 --> 00:16:18.290 Jean Moyer: So, the remaining ARPA funds at the bottom… Should start to draw down. 153 00:16:18.640 --> 00:16:23.799 Jean Moyer: Mostly in fiscal… beginning of fiscal 27, but, 154 00:16:23.930 --> 00:16:35.070 Jean Moyer: That's been hanging there for quite a while, but we've made some interest off of it, which is nice. That's the only, comments beyond my notes that I wanted to point out. 155 00:16:36.550 --> 00:16:38.979 Jean Moyer: We have, June to go. 156 00:16:39.220 --> 00:16:46.320 Jean Moyer: We're hiring fast and furious. We've hired 17 summer staff. 157 00:16:48.640 --> 00:16:59.460 Jean Moyer: 2 of those 17 have yet to sign. We'll see if they, pan out. Those are lifeguards. And, 158 00:17:00.520 --> 00:17:07.829 Jean Moyer: Two lifeguards are also serving as, Summer in the Parks counselors, so I did not double count them. 159 00:17:10.310 --> 00:17:16.430 Jean Moyer: It's… it's been busy, so… Any questions? 160 00:17:16.690 --> 00:17:22.009 John Compton: I have one question, Gene. Yeah. So, and this is really, like, for the committees. 161 00:17:22.470 --> 00:17:26.819 John Compton: So, we're closing out of 26, so going into 27. 162 00:17:27.270 --> 00:17:34.370 John Compton: And we have money in the budget for some of the committees that we haven't spent yet. 163 00:17:34.470 --> 00:17:39.860 John Compton: And we don't carry funds over, but… What… are there, ways… 164 00:17:40.110 --> 00:17:44.879 John Compton: Not… we don't have to spend the money to suspend it, obviously. But, 165 00:17:45.030 --> 00:17:47.650 John Compton: Are there ways of, 166 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:52.910 John Compton: Committing to do some work, and being able to use those funds, even though it runs into 27. 167 00:17:53.360 --> 00:17:58.790 Jean Moyer: No, if the expense is incurred in June, it is part of fiscal 26. 168 00:17:59.430 --> 00:18:14.100 Jean Moyer: The only exception is for activities that are happening in fiscal 27. Poison… point, in case here, Eva had to purchase some Summer in the Park supplies. 169 00:18:14.430 --> 00:18:26.699 Jean Moyer: And… but the activity is in fiscal 27 that those… that expense would be applied against. And it… it's an accounting term, but it's prepaid expense. 170 00:18:27.550 --> 00:18:44.060 Jean Moyer: But it's earmarked specifically to an activity that's happening in fiscal 27, so you, you pay it ahead, and then you expense it effectively in fiscal 27. It's an accounting thing. But, if… 171 00:18:44.580 --> 00:18:52.110 Jean Moyer: If the activity, you know, is… You know, like. 172 00:18:52.650 --> 00:18:58.560 Jean Moyer: For the holiday show of fiscal 27, that would be a stretch to 173 00:18:58.660 --> 00:19:03.990 Jean Moyer: Do an expense now as prepaid, because there's so much time. 174 00:19:04.110 --> 00:19:07.640 Jean Moyer: Between now and the holiday show. 175 00:19:09.260 --> 00:19:21.070 John Compton: But what if I had… what if I was doing some kind of maintenance contract or something, say it was $15,000, and we signed it and began to work the last week of June, and it ran into July? 176 00:19:21.430 --> 00:19:30.259 Jean Moyer: So, if the invoice indicates a June date on it, then I can put it in June. 177 00:19:30.990 --> 00:19:42.980 Jean Moyer: But if the invoice… they might have started the work, but if the way the invoice is written, it has a July date on it and says work performed in July, it has to go into 178 00:19:43.260 --> 00:19:44.780 Jean Moyer: Next fiscal year. 179 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:47.910 John Compton: Okay, thanks. 180 00:19:50.560 --> 00:20:03.660 John Compton: I think if we… There are ways around it. There are ways around it. For example, you can prepay. Right, yeah. If everybody agrees to prepay, then it meets the requirements. 181 00:20:04.980 --> 00:20:18.659 John Compton: So we're, we're doing normal accounting. Okay. Oh, it's the girl. With Gene. Yeah, well, you know. You're sliding it. So, I do have a question. 182 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:25.799 John Compton: for you. For me, and Gene, but… Chesapeake Fire Protection. 183 00:20:26.810 --> 00:20:39.309 John Compton: Did you sign a check for their latest invoice? Yep. You're really concerned about getting paid, aren't you? Well, I'm concerned that we don't end up in this July-June 184 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:42.739 John Compton: Although their invoice was well in… 185 00:20:42.740 --> 00:20:44.139 Jean Moyer: Yeah, the invoice was… 186 00:20:44.140 --> 00:20:45.789 John Compton: Sure, not the thing. 187 00:20:46.230 --> 00:20:48.039 John Compton: Okay, yeah, yeah, gotcha. 188 00:20:49.540 --> 00:20:50.100 Jean Moyer: Yeah. 189 00:20:50.360 --> 00:21:00.980 John Compton: So they'll be sending us another invoice, I'm sure, in June before the end, so… Yeah. The check is in the mail. Yeah, send it. 190 00:21:00.980 --> 00:21:06.150 Jean Moyer: It's actually in an envelope that's sitting in my kitchen right now, but it'll go in the mail tomorrow. 191 00:21:06.150 --> 00:21:19.699 John Compton: Yeah. Well, you know, the concern is, like, what we brought up before, is that the work is done, it's been done. I've been trying to get them to finalize, and they keep sending these monthly invoices. 192 00:21:20.510 --> 00:21:25.110 John Compton: I saw… it's weird. You've never not paid an invoice immediately. 193 00:21:26.870 --> 00:21:34.310 John Compton: Okay. I'll ask for you. 194 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:38.570 John Compton: All the time. All right. 195 00:21:38.570 --> 00:21:41.809 Jean Moyer: And did you want to do the budget transfer? 196 00:21:41.810 --> 00:21:43.359 John Compton: Now we have to. 197 00:21:43.360 --> 00:21:44.030 Jean Moyer: Oh, that's right. 198 00:21:44.030 --> 00:21:47.100 John Compton: to accept the Treasurer's report? 199 00:21:47.600 --> 00:21:49.379 John Compton: I move to accept the report. 200 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:59.620 John Compton: Second, please. I'll second it. All right, John has, moved. Peter is seconded. Any discussion further about the report? All in favor? 201 00:22:00.350 --> 00:22:01.780 John Compton: That's unanimous. 202 00:22:01.900 --> 00:22:04.370 John Compton: Report accepted. Okay, go ahead, Janine. 203 00:22:05.030 --> 00:22:15.150 Jean Moyer: You're gonna put that up. So, some years, we're required, if a… 204 00:22:15.550 --> 00:22:33.200 Jean Moyer: area, I kind of refer to them as a department, a cost center, you know, an area, that you see the groupings in my report, in my accounting. We are required, if we ever… bottom line of that area goes over budget. 205 00:22:33.540 --> 00:22:38.910 Jean Moyer: We have to have a formal, budget transfer? 206 00:22:39.700 --> 00:22:47.219 Jean Moyer: And, I… so I have to forecast out how much will be spent in June to see… 207 00:22:47.490 --> 00:22:51.510 Jean Moyer: If there's an area that we might be, 208 00:22:51.900 --> 00:22:56.549 Jean Moyer: over budget. And, to give some cushion. 209 00:22:56.880 --> 00:23:05.140 Jean Moyer: There's two areas, and so, it's, 210 00:23:05.600 --> 00:23:11.709 Jean Moyer: when John gets it up, or it was in the materials as well, I believe. There we go. 211 00:23:12.990 --> 00:23:18.009 Jean Moyer: And John, correct me, I might have called this a resolution, is it an ordinance? 212 00:23:18.570 --> 00:23:19.719 John Compton: No, it's a resolution. 213 00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:34.869 Jean Moyer: Resolution. Okay, so, and what happens is, if there's another area that is well under budget, we just move the money from there. So, there are two areas, my area, 214 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:44.580 Jean Moyer: The part of it is the audit, for fiscal 26. They start preliminary work already. 215 00:23:44.780 --> 00:23:53.429 Jean Moyer: So the costs for that audit that, were budgeted in fiscal 27 actually start happening. 216 00:23:53.540 --> 00:23:58.440 Jean Moyer: In fiscal 26, and, because 217 00:23:59.030 --> 00:24:12.250 Jean Moyer: now, the next year's audit's going to be bigger. It's coming in higher, than the budget on that, as well as, my, time I spent 218 00:24:12.250 --> 00:24:16.830 Jean Moyer: Extra time between the employee handbook and being on the 219 00:24:16.830 --> 00:24:32.360 Jean Moyer: search and interview, team for the administrator position. So, I will come in maybe about 10 hours over budget. So, the net effect for mine is about $2,500. 220 00:24:32.360 --> 00:24:40.070 Jean Moyer: And then in waste collection and disposal, because we had not budgeted for the dog waste collection. 221 00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:52.849 Jean Moyer: We had a bit of savings in leaf collection, but not enough to offset it. So, the dog waste collection costs are putting that area over budget. 222 00:24:52.900 --> 00:25:00.769 Jean Moyer: And, it's not huge amounts here, but, we still need this formality. 223 00:25:03.800 --> 00:25:08.989 John Compton: Okay, we're going to hit the resolution as the first administrative matter. 224 00:25:10.110 --> 00:25:10.950 John Compton: donation. 225 00:25:11.120 --> 00:25:14.699 John Compton: It's a formality, we go through this most years. 226 00:25:15.050 --> 00:25:21.059 John Compton: Yes, to, put funds around within the major budget categories. 227 00:25:21.210 --> 00:25:22.529 John Compton: You can do back this. 228 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:23.990 John Compton: impunity. 229 00:25:24.430 --> 00:25:25.860 John Compton: As long as the funds are available. 230 00:25:26.980 --> 00:25:35.079 John Compton: Okay, thank you, Dean. You had… you wanted to say something about the financial policy. 231 00:25:35.410 --> 00:25:35.970 John Compton: Which… 232 00:25:35.970 --> 00:25:36.790 Jean Moyer: Right. 233 00:25:38.020 --> 00:25:40.170 Jean Moyer: To… 234 00:25:40.610 --> 00:25:41.300 John Compton: Yeah. 235 00:25:41.300 --> 00:25:46.350 Jean Moyer: better coordinate. It's… sometimes it's, like, herding cats. 236 00:25:46.520 --> 00:26:01.680 Jean Moyer: We have so many, amazing volunteers that, spend their own money putting events and other things together and get reimbursed, and, those requests come in 237 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:07.820 Jean Moyer: In many forms, and to try and standardize that. 238 00:26:08.100 --> 00:26:15.970 Jean Moyer: And then also, particularly with the June 30 year end, I can't get a… 239 00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:23.239 Jean Moyer: let's just say a Circle Fest or Music Weekend receipt asking for reimbursement in October. 240 00:26:23.430 --> 00:26:42.700 Jean Moyer: It messes up the auditors. So we've created these kind of procedures. We had a couple people look at drafts just to make sure that they were workable for everybody, and then because we now, are allowing, payment 241 00:26:42.940 --> 00:26:44.960 Jean Moyer: to be made by Zelle. 242 00:26:45.620 --> 00:26:54.309 Jean Moyer: We wanted people to, to know that. And so we have this, and we have, 243 00:26:54.950 --> 00:27:12.979 Jean Moyer: an Amazon business account, and so more and more we're getting, volunteers that would, you know, like, I'm gonna… people send to me the link to what they would like to get purchased on Amazon, and I do the purchasing, 244 00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:24.889 Jean Moyer: And so this gives guidance on that. The advantage of using the Amazon account, if possible, is we have tax exemption, sales tax exemption. 245 00:27:25.380 --> 00:27:34.230 Jean Moyer: So, it saves the town a little bit of money there, and we get, you know, prime, delivery. 246 00:27:34.370 --> 00:27:41.519 Jean Moyer: So, these… we… I have given it, provided it to, 247 00:27:41.870 --> 00:27:51.909 Jean Moyer: Lisa Bielen, for the Rec Committee, because so much of the reimbursements are as, for town events, so, and she had… 248 00:27:51.950 --> 00:28:06.800 Jean Moyer: was one of the folks that, kind of looked at the draft to say what was workable for them. So we would… I would like to, disseminate this to the key volunteers. 249 00:28:06.860 --> 00:28:15.279 Jean Moyer: who, you know, Generously purchase out of their own pocket and get reimbursed. 250 00:28:15.390 --> 00:28:21.919 Jean Moyer: It just will make it more standardized, and that way, people will get paid faster. 251 00:28:23.320 --> 00:28:24.030 John Compton: Great. 252 00:28:24.670 --> 00:28:34.129 John Compton: I have a quick question about the Zelle. Do you get a rece… is the person who's getting the money in the account get a receipt to show that it's… the transaction has occurred? 253 00:28:34.130 --> 00:28:40.469 Jean Moyer: So what I do, my practice is, when I send it, I get an email. 254 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:49.360 Jean Moyer: from the bank that says, you sent this money by Zelle to this person, I forward that email to the person. 255 00:28:50.430 --> 00:28:52.680 Jean Moyer: That way, they know to go look for it. 256 00:28:53.700 --> 00:29:00.409 Jean Moyer: And this is, you know, it's really kind of a case-by-case basis. We're not paying our vendors this way. 257 00:29:01.080 --> 00:29:08.310 Jean Moyer: It's… we receive money in using Zelle. 258 00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:18.720 Jean Moyer: There are no fees for this to the town, but that… that's the way I put the person on alert to go look for the money in their account. 259 00:29:21.740 --> 00:29:26.769 John Compton: Okay, I may call you tomorrow. I have a couple more questions, but I don't want to take up the time of the Council. 260 00:29:26.770 --> 00:29:34.200 Jean Moyer: Yeah, and not everybody's comfortable with it, not everybody uses it. PayPal and Venmo, I looked into them, and we have to pay fees. 261 00:29:34.310 --> 00:29:37.399 Jean Moyer: So we thought, well, it's, it's… 262 00:29:37.710 --> 00:29:55.420 Jean Moyer: It's really just so far, about 5 people, who routinely submit reimbursement for event expenses, and they find it easier than waiting for a check in the mail or having to go pick one up. 263 00:29:59.470 --> 00:30:01.200 Jean Moyer: But feel free to call me. 264 00:30:04.730 --> 00:30:09.640 John Compton: So, Gene… I'm gonna speak, for both Gene and me. 265 00:30:11.010 --> 00:30:22.000 John Compton: about reimbursement. So, this, this policy is really designed to, do two things. One, reduce the cost to the town for the purchases of, 266 00:30:22.320 --> 00:30:35.230 John Compton: of materials that we need for our various activities, that's by using the Amazon account, or by using the tax, you know, making sure it's a tax exempt, and we don't have to pay a… 267 00:30:35.430 --> 00:30:36.650 John Compton: patch. 268 00:30:37.700 --> 00:30:42.849 John Compton: But it's also to make things easier, for Jane. So… 269 00:30:43.790 --> 00:30:50.059 John Compton: Obviously, you know, we routinely have been reimbursing people with checks. 270 00:30:50.500 --> 00:30:54.260 John Compton: Surprisingly, Well, it shouldn't surprise you 271 00:30:54.740 --> 00:31:01.230 John Compton: That there are often checks that go uncashed for… Ever. 272 00:31:01.630 --> 00:31:03.359 John Compton: Unreasonable amounts of time. 273 00:31:03.860 --> 00:31:06.100 John Compton: So that causes just a headache. 274 00:31:06.300 --> 00:31:11.259 John Compton: And often people come back, and sometimes they'll say, I can't find that check. 275 00:31:11.520 --> 00:31:17.209 John Compton: Two months later, 4 months later, you know, what can I do about it? And… 276 00:31:19.120 --> 00:31:24.360 John Compton: We really should impose a cutoff. 277 00:31:24.860 --> 00:31:32.270 John Compton: Not… not to be nasty or anything, but merely trying to encourage everybody to be responsible, and to relieve 278 00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:36.929 John Compton: Bookkeeping, to produce the bookkeeping that carries these things forward. 279 00:31:37.100 --> 00:31:45.449 John Compton: So, that's why Zelle is a huge benefit. It's direct, you don't have to worry about depositing, okay? And you get it quickly. 280 00:31:46.350 --> 00:31:54.950 John Compton: It's, so, you know, it's… You know, the one person… padding. 281 00:31:55.070 --> 00:32:04.040 John Compton: department. These things add up, so it would be good to, To have everybody recognize that. 282 00:32:04.730 --> 00:32:17.929 John Compton: It's a fabulous boom to the town when people go out and buy stuff on their own. Nobody's trying to stop that. They've been approved to buy it, they buy it. Submit your request for reimbursement, and let's get it to you in this 283 00:32:18.090 --> 00:32:24.380 John Compton: Bachelor if we can. Yeah, I applaud this trend. I think this should just see the beginning. 284 00:32:24.460 --> 00:32:41.579 John Compton: I can think of a number of vendors that would be really helpful to do something similar to Amazon. There are so many people in town that spend money for the town, and it's… they can't buy their receipts, or it's not a lot, and it's just, you know, looking at it from the volunteer perspective. 285 00:32:41.650 --> 00:32:46.469 John Compton: This, I think this is very advantageous to encourage volunteers to also help them out. 286 00:32:46.590 --> 00:32:49.809 John Compton: So, this is a good trend. Home Depot, Gene. 287 00:32:51.890 --> 00:32:54.150 John Compton: We gotta get the candle at Home Depot. 288 00:32:54.350 --> 00:32:58.030 Jean Moyer: Well, we have a Home Depot account, and they just charge our credit card. 289 00:32:58.480 --> 00:32:59.370 John Compton: Alright. 290 00:33:02.170 --> 00:33:03.789 Jean Moyer: Even Chris can help you with that. 291 00:33:03.790 --> 00:33:14.779 John Compton: But you happen to know about it. Yeah. To know about it, you need to say, look, I need to buy whatever at Home Depot, and Jean says, oh, yeah, just use our… 292 00:33:15.110 --> 00:33:23.489 John Compton: authority here, dude. Jean should go down into the car and do it, then. No, that is not gonna happen. She has time for that. Okay, Anna. 293 00:33:23.760 --> 00:33:32.840 John Compton: That's somewhere in that job description. Okay, right, that's it, Ben, for, Our. 294 00:33:32.840 --> 00:33:35.159 Jean Moyer: We have to approve the resolution on the. 295 00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:41.770 John Compton: No, it's only getting a little further, I'm gonna wait till we get there, okay? It's the first item on the administrative item. 296 00:33:42.730 --> 00:33:46.739 John Compton: And the next item is a mayor's report. 297 00:33:46.890 --> 00:33:54.340 John Compton: So, there's, there's a few, kudos. 298 00:33:54.530 --> 00:34:08.709 John Compton: They're always big ones. Depaula, Puglisi, Patty Klein, and, Barbara Raimondo, for spearheading and organizing the DEIB workshop that happened May 30th. 299 00:34:09.110 --> 00:34:12.909 John Compton: For… I hope everybody knew that was… 300 00:34:13.330 --> 00:34:23.109 John Compton: open. At least about 40 people did attend, which, was at this point real good. That's what we were hoping for. 301 00:34:23.230 --> 00:34:33.500 John Compton: The workshop was, to learn how to better foster, obviously, inclusion, diversity, and participation by town residents in town activities. 302 00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:37.420 John Compton: And that goes from… household business. 303 00:34:37.600 --> 00:34:42.619 John Compton: to, you know, the Gateway Committee, You know, to a reckoning. 304 00:34:42.900 --> 00:34:50.170 John Compton: Of course. One of the… outcomes, 305 00:34:51.020 --> 00:35:01.899 John Compton: for the town is to, hopefully form a work group to move on to the next step, which has been, identified as, 306 00:35:04.690 --> 00:35:14.259 John Compton: well, not all the next steps have been modified. Brainstorm next steps, but one of them is to examine how our comprehensive plan is, 307 00:35:14.450 --> 00:35:18.420 John Compton: How, how, the idea of, better inclusion. 308 00:35:18.670 --> 00:35:25.140 John Compton: Is being, expressed in our comprehensive plan. So, examining the comprehensive plan. 309 00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:36.850 John Compton: But, Paul, Patty, and Barbara, oh, you know, spent… worked hard to get this thing together. It was led by a leadership Montgomery, facilitator. 310 00:35:38.000 --> 00:36:02.329 Barbara: So, John, can I just add to that a little bit? I want to really call out Paula for her work in making sure that people knew about it, and that's why we got such a nice turnout, because Paula really took up the mantle on that to make that happen, so that was very much appreciated. And Patty, too, did a lot of the logistics and was… if you were there, you might have noticed I was not there, I've been out of town. 311 00:36:02.330 --> 00:36:11.660 Barbara: So, it was really nice, to be able to rely on the two of them to make sure that it was all done properly, and I hear it went very well and got very good feedback. 312 00:36:11.660 --> 00:36:12.940 paula: I did a lot of the pre-work. 313 00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:15.480 paula: Thank you. Thank you for that. 314 00:36:16.050 --> 00:36:18.410 paula: John, I can't hardly hear you. 315 00:36:18.590 --> 00:36:23.620 paula: I just want you to know that. I don't… I don't want… I can't hear, I don't know if it's just me, but thank you, Barbara. 316 00:36:23.620 --> 00:36:25.949 John Compton: Did I end up writing that wrong? 317 00:36:25.950 --> 00:36:27.879 Patrice Klein: You just need to move closer to the microphone. 318 00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:29.250 paula: Am I the only one who. 319 00:36:29.250 --> 00:36:31.500 Patrice Klein: No, I'm having trouble. A lot of us are. 320 00:36:31.780 --> 00:36:32.510 paula: Okay. 321 00:36:32.510 --> 00:36:32.980 Patrice Klein: coupon. 322 00:36:32.980 --> 00:36:33.740 paula: Go ahead. 323 00:36:33.740 --> 00:36:34.569 John Compton: That helped me. 324 00:36:36.860 --> 00:36:40.520 Kristina Kough: John, it's like we can hear you in the room distantly. 325 00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:42.699 Kristina Kough: But not at the microphone. 326 00:36:43.370 --> 00:36:46.650 John Compton: Yeah, it's a… it's a central microphone, I'll speak up. Okay. 327 00:36:46.780 --> 00:36:50.249 John Compton: So, so, I would like to add to that, because… 328 00:36:51.220 --> 00:37:07.110 John Compton: The… one of the written goals of this meeting, it wasn't… the comprehensive plan wasn't mentioned so much as town… more specifically, town policies and procedures, and the outcome was supposed to be a… 329 00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.080 John Compton: I appreciate that they were proof. 330 00:37:09.510 --> 00:37:16.610 John Compton: volunteers who would look at town, policies and procedures, and see how they relate to the CEI. 331 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:32.380 John Compton: And, which was very receptive. And, I mean, it was a fabulous, fabulous… great. The choir was there, it's great, but I think that to keep the whole goal is, how do we get the momentum going? And this work group seemed like a really great way to proceed. 332 00:37:32.890 --> 00:37:41.189 John Compton: And I'm not sure… and that was mentioned tonight, I'm sure that Patty and Barbara, when she gets back, and Paula will be working on that. 333 00:37:41.680 --> 00:37:54.549 John Compton: This really wasn't meant for just more than a coup… Oh, yeah, well… I know there's a lot more coming. Just, we do have an agenda to step in. Are you saying? 334 00:37:54.780 --> 00:37:56.489 Patrice Klein: We'll wait for Barbara to get back. 335 00:37:56.780 --> 00:38:08.029 John Compton: Yeah, good, good, okay. Alright, the, the, the, another kudo, of course, goes to the Circle Fest organizers and volunteers who, 336 00:38:08.150 --> 00:38:24.410 John Compton: managed to not dirty up their front yards and porches, when we had to move… it had to be moved here to McCatherine Hall due to the weather, but it, it nevertheless was, came off fantastically well, and… 337 00:38:24.620 --> 00:38:28.689 John Compton: According to the official count, 338 00:38:29.080 --> 00:38:33.830 John Compton: By our circulating helicopters, over 300 people. 339 00:38:35.350 --> 00:38:53.579 John Compton: attended, so another great event. Congratulations to the organizers and their biggest promoter, Mr. Negroi. And thank you to the shanks, thank you for the shanks for donating the tent tables and, and whatever. Right. That was, that was nice. 340 00:38:54.060 --> 00:38:54.770 John Compton: Yeah. 341 00:38:55.730 --> 00:38:58.380 John Compton: Right, okay, that's, that's… 342 00:38:58.570 --> 00:39:17.479 John Compton: My kudos for this meeting. Next, the Washington Dope-Pinector Shared Use Pathway, which you'll hear about every month, mostly. The, we are now reviewing a graph of easements that we received from the county and CDOT. 343 00:39:17.550 --> 00:39:28.020 John Compton: An easement from the town is necessary, to allow construction of the final bit of the path on town property at the end of Brown Street. 344 00:39:28.690 --> 00:39:32.970 John Compton: So that's going to be happening over the next month or two. 345 00:39:33.220 --> 00:39:39.600 John Compton: The construction… they're going to be moving out of the construction You can say this. 346 00:39:40.180 --> 00:39:46.499 John Compton: You can take this as you will shortly. There's always, one more thing. 347 00:39:46.640 --> 00:39:49.299 John Compton: May… it may well happen this summer, or… 348 00:39:49.460 --> 00:39:53.139 John Compton: Certainly this year, when they start to work, to work. 349 00:39:54.540 --> 00:40:01.419 John Compton: The stormwater management project. Those are the people on this side of the road. 350 00:40:03.730 --> 00:40:08.910 John Compton: West of Macaulay, west of Macaulay, west of Grove. 351 00:40:09.010 --> 00:40:22.129 John Compton: I got my collar on the brain. Western Grove will have seen the activity. They haven't done a whole lot. They're starting to prepare to work on the avenues torn up the end of Center Street. 352 00:40:23.590 --> 00:40:39.849 John Compton: You should know that Steve Wertz, volunteered, in addition to all the other things that he's been doing, as our town site coordinator, so he's, he's helping them, you know, put their equipment around, answering questions. 353 00:40:40.910 --> 00:40:46.629 John Compton: And, and watching the action. And Bob Bohr, has also… 354 00:40:47.050 --> 00:40:53.820 John Compton: Made a big commitment, to use his project management experience in his professional life 355 00:40:54.170 --> 00:40:58.179 John Compton: To be the town quality control engineer. 356 00:40:58.590 --> 00:41:08.689 John Compton: To ensure that they've done what they say they're going to do, and review the invoices for the work done. 357 00:41:08.940 --> 00:41:11.129 John Compton: And that sort of thing. 358 00:41:12.610 --> 00:41:21.960 John Compton: And, lastly, it's… we actually have not had a pre-construction meeting. We're having it tomorrow. 359 00:41:23.120 --> 00:41:34.359 John Compton: Other issues notwithstanding, and it was supposed to happen two weeks ago. We'll have a better idea of the timeline of the work, as to when they'll be working where. 360 00:41:34.630 --> 00:41:37.670 John Compton: I did send out a drove alert, 361 00:41:37.790 --> 00:41:42.530 John Compton: Indicating that, there should be little disruption 362 00:41:42.980 --> 00:41:59.420 John Compton: of, of being able to get around town on the roads. There certainly will be some disruption in front of, some properties, because that's… we're working on, on, on runoff, down center, down Oak. 363 00:41:59.990 --> 00:42:08.500 John Compton: at the end of center, as well, and along Chestnut, and at Acorn and Chestnut Road. So those things will be 364 00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:12.410 John Compton: Disruptive thing. 365 00:42:12.520 --> 00:42:16.410 John Compton: Little period. So we'll try and get what information we can out. 366 00:42:16.570 --> 00:42:24.210 John Compton: But I'm pretty sure we'll have good control over Over access by the contractor. 367 00:42:25.830 --> 00:42:28.690 John Compton: Any other ques… any questions that you have, though? 368 00:42:28.860 --> 00:42:33.490 John Compton: contact any of the three of us, Steve, or it's Bob Ward and myself. 369 00:42:34.570 --> 00:42:41.219 John Compton: Okay, the tennis court crack repairs, most people who use our court, 370 00:42:42.530 --> 00:42:54.929 John Compton: Nobody's fallen into one of these cracks yet, but the test crack repair has been done. Of course, it looked great after… after… 371 00:42:55.340 --> 00:43:06.909 John Compton: an hour. Big fish. So we're gonna let it go a few weeks, see how it holds up. Most likely, it'll hold up fine, in which case, and it's a relatively inexpensive 372 00:43:07.170 --> 00:43:10.139 John Compton: But… Expected to be. 373 00:43:10.290 --> 00:43:12.040 John Compton: short-term repair. 374 00:43:12.200 --> 00:43:15.669 John Compton: We'll do the rest of the large cracks. 375 00:43:15.830 --> 00:43:22.529 John Compton: Soon, say in the next month, assuming, 376 00:43:22.720 --> 00:43:24.550 John Compton: Mike Shank can do it. 377 00:43:25.700 --> 00:43:35.410 John Compton: All right, next item is Safety and Security in Washington Grove with Officer Melanie Romano of the Montgomery County Police Department. 378 00:43:35.900 --> 00:43:53.140 John Compton: This has been arranged, with her. She's the community services officer for the 6th District, which we're in. Chris has, you know, is one of the many things, the safety… he acting as the safety committee. 379 00:43:53.300 --> 00:44:06.249 John Compton: has been doing. I will be on the… there's going to be a… there's going to be a Zoom presentation by Officer Romano, but mostly an opportunity to ask questions concerning 380 00:44:07.080 --> 00:44:14.819 John Compton: Obviously, crime and other concerns here in town, and it's going to be on the 25th at 7.30. 381 00:44:15.070 --> 00:44:17.220 John Compton: As I say, it's a Zoom, so… 382 00:44:17.670 --> 00:44:25.279 John Compton: You know, as many people… you don't have to go anywhere, and be able to ask all your questions. Chris, is there anything else? 383 00:44:25.340 --> 00:44:37.679 John Compton: just in case, I think everybody's on this trip except for me, but I found out that, you know, there had been some more car vandalism, as of last night, so, 384 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:43.559 John Compton: Hopefully, there'll be a lot attending, and questions and answers could be… 385 00:44:43.930 --> 00:44:46.770 John Compton: How will the Zoom link be made available? 386 00:44:46.930 --> 00:44:52.830 John Compton: It's in the… Or in the bulletin. It'll be in the bulletin. 387 00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:59.929 John Compton: Scratch it, okay? No, no, I didn't even say. 388 00:45:00.380 --> 00:45:11.400 John Compton: Yes, when it's possible, we'll put in another… So people know it's coming. 389 00:45:14.860 --> 00:45:21.940 John Compton: Alrighty, the next item is the, and I put this in here, 390 00:45:22.250 --> 00:45:34.679 John Compton: Not that it will satisfy everybody, but because this issue has now come up multiple times in the recent past. And that is a liability exposure of town volunteers. 391 00:45:37.100 --> 00:45:48.000 John Compton: So, sue Ellen, our town attorney, and the town's insurer who It's a local area, legit. 392 00:45:48.690 --> 00:45:53.180 John Compton: have, assured us in a number of ways. 393 00:45:53.610 --> 00:46:01.699 John Compton: About… Waving the language of the actual insurance policy in our face. 394 00:46:02.630 --> 00:46:13.170 John Compton: that volunteers who perform activities for the town under the direction of the town council and mayor, in other words, they've actually been doing something they're authorized to do. 395 00:46:14.040 --> 00:46:22.339 John Compton: Are agents of the town, and are therefore covered for liabilities from both actions… 396 00:46:22.950 --> 00:46:25.280 John Compton: They may do. I mean, if you… 397 00:46:25.520 --> 00:46:28.030 John Compton: Swing, swing a bet, you know… 398 00:46:29.300 --> 00:46:34.830 John Compton: hoe, or you hit somebody and hurt them, I don't… Okay? 399 00:46:35.130 --> 00:46:43.290 John Compton: Covered for that, as well as, things suffered by them. 400 00:46:43.460 --> 00:46:44.769 John Compton: course, in their… 401 00:46:45.190 --> 00:46:56.319 John Compton: That's not an insurance… health insurance policy. It is a… it has to do with liability when there would be a, a fault 402 00:46:56.710 --> 00:46:59.249 John Compton: You know, let's just… 403 00:47:00.450 --> 00:47:07.269 John Compton: I don't even know whether this would be qualified. You know, you're… you're working with the Gateway Committee, and you've 404 00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:08.150 John Compton: You… 405 00:47:08.500 --> 00:47:17.589 John Compton: fell into a ditch and hurt yourself, and you claim, you know, this put you out of work for 3 months. This is… who's responsible for this? 406 00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:22.480 John Compton: So, I believe this is the kind of thing our liability policy. 407 00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:36.039 John Compton: So… All right, I don't know how to do this in any more official way, writing it down. 408 00:47:36.250 --> 00:47:45.600 John Compton: would be basically what I've just said. We have been assured our policy… we've been told our policy covers 409 00:47:45.820 --> 00:47:51.100 John Compton: The exact language, can certainly be, be looked at. 410 00:47:51.580 --> 00:47:59.300 John Compton: I will say that Town Attorney Sue Ellen Ferguson mention in particular, 411 00:47:59.790 --> 00:48:06.429 John Compton: insurance expert at Legit, named… correct me if I'm wrong, Gene Sonderson? 412 00:48:06.430 --> 00:48:08.240 Jean Moyer: Scott Sanderson. 413 00:48:08.490 --> 00:48:17.849 John Compton: Yeah, that she relies on for, the most accurate information regarding municipal, 414 00:48:17.980 --> 00:48:22.729 John Compton: Insurance, which is what Legitis was created to do. 415 00:48:22.900 --> 00:48:27.479 John Compton: So, and we… Gene and I talked in… in regard to several things. 416 00:48:27.860 --> 00:48:29.370 John Compton: Our summer in the Parks. 417 00:48:29.640 --> 00:48:37.070 John Compton: And, he had… he's one of the experts who basically stated what I told you. 418 00:48:37.510 --> 00:48:43.649 John Compton: Regarding general… general protection of volunteers. 419 00:48:44.610 --> 00:48:55.649 John Compton: So, so I've been asked by a couple people, you know, I get a lot of them said, but this can be for professionals who are doing volunteer work here. 420 00:48:55.790 --> 00:48:57.160 John Compton: this, this… 421 00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:05.859 John Compton: This is very wishy-washy, what we're saying. I understand what you're saying, but it's kind of… and they… people are looking for something written. 422 00:49:05.980 --> 00:49:06.830 John Compton: There. 423 00:49:07.150 --> 00:49:24.799 John Compton: Well, then they can't volunteer, or can… if I can't Suella… What… what? Yeah, I'm just saying. We can pay Suellen to write up a… what will still be a wishing… But it would be a lethal… but it would be a document that we… it would be something, because right now there's nothing. It's just… 424 00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:40.470 John Compton: So, when we had that meeting with Suella, and I asked that same question. We know you did, right? She said, it's up to you. That we didn't have to have one, but then, you know, we have some people who have some serious jobs in this town. 425 00:49:40.490 --> 00:49:46.890 John Compton: And I didn't know, I didn't know this, but they, you know, there's liability, you know. 426 00:49:47.100 --> 00:49:52.089 John Compton: They have a grievance that they have nothing to do something that will make them liable. 427 00:49:52.210 --> 00:49:56.199 John Compton: If they… if the employees get sued, for whatever reason. 428 00:49:56.580 --> 00:50:00.720 John Compton: And… It's just, it's just a problem for some people. 429 00:50:00.720 --> 00:50:01.970 Barbara: Yeah. 430 00:50:01.970 --> 00:50:12.830 John Compton: If there's something we can do, we can't do it, we can't do it, but then they have to make a decision whether to participate in kind of activities. Well, I frankly don't. I recall the… 431 00:50:13.740 --> 00:50:15.710 John Compton: But I didn't understand. 432 00:50:16.530 --> 00:50:18.900 John Compton: I, for one, did not understand 433 00:50:19.100 --> 00:50:25.810 John Compton: What exact… how a job, professional job, It's connected to an activity. 434 00:50:26.190 --> 00:50:32.500 John Compton: The employee conducts outside of his job, and it's not just the town, it's anything. 435 00:50:32.610 --> 00:50:46.019 John Compton: And it didn't make sense to me, to tell you the truth. Not that it maybe has some validity, but I don't understand how it applies. Well, it was, you know, I've been talking about it in person, obviously. Yeah, sorry. 436 00:50:46.020 --> 00:51:01.130 Barbara: Can I just add here? I think we need something in writing from Sue Allen. It's just a short memo spelling out what she said, and what we… I mean, memory is not reliable, so it really would help to have something in writing from Sue Allen. 437 00:51:01.700 --> 00:51:02.410 John Compton: Yeah. 438 00:51:02.530 --> 00:51:08.870 John Compton: Okay, just keep in mind, the town has been operating like this for decades. Right. 439 00:51:08.870 --> 00:51:12.389 Barbara: Yeah, that doesn't make it right. 440 00:51:12.730 --> 00:51:14.970 John Compton: Wait a second, I have examined. 441 00:51:15.180 --> 00:51:19.900 John Compton: the, the records of, legit, of this insurer. 442 00:51:20.220 --> 00:51:21.990 John Compton: There are no claims. 443 00:51:22.200 --> 00:51:25.299 John Compton: Even made, let alone paid. 444 00:51:25.780 --> 00:51:30.900 John Compton: of any… anything. So, you realize. 445 00:51:31.020 --> 00:51:33.270 John Compton: From my point of view, this is a… 446 00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:37.390 John Compton: This is a solution in search of a problem. 447 00:51:38.130 --> 00:51:41.929 John Compton: You know, and you can say, I mean, this is, you know, legal is legal. 448 00:51:42.070 --> 00:51:44.840 John Compton: I'm telling you, Chiwon can write the most 449 00:51:45.670 --> 00:51:47.820 John Compton: If she's any kind of lawyer. 450 00:51:48.140 --> 00:51:51.950 John Compton: Her words will be just about as good as no words at all. 451 00:51:54.130 --> 00:51:54.970 John Compton: Okay. 452 00:51:54.970 --> 00:51:57.820 Barbara: That's… no. 453 00:51:57.820 --> 00:52:01.589 John Compton: It's a total waste of effort. 454 00:52:02.430 --> 00:52:21.910 Barbara: No, no, I think we need something in writing. You know, we… with our new town administrator job, we spend a lot of time saying we're really going to sort of up our game a little bit and try to be more, compliant with laws and policies and regulations, and I think we really do need to have this in writing. 455 00:52:22.190 --> 00:52:23.590 John Compton: Are you making a motion? 456 00:52:24.910 --> 00:52:25.770 Barbara: It does… 457 00:52:25.770 --> 00:52:27.179 John Compton: Look, that's how… 458 00:52:27.180 --> 00:52:35.950 Barbara: I can make a motion, yes. I move that we ask Sue Allen to put the volunteer liability policy in writing. 459 00:52:36.110 --> 00:52:37.290 John Compton: I second. 460 00:52:39.390 --> 00:52:45.290 John Compton: I would first ask her what other municipalities have in regard to this issue. 461 00:52:45.660 --> 00:52:52.139 John Compton: If… if there is such a thing as a… statement of… of… of… 462 00:52:52.330 --> 00:52:58.869 John Compton: You know, from liability reassurance to… then that would… 463 00:52:58.930 --> 00:53:18.880 John Compton: She offered to do it for us if we want. We have a motion on the second one. It's still not going to guarantee anything. If somebody decides to sue, they're not going to look at it, because it's not official, it's her opinion. So they're still going to go to be a policy. I mean, I don't see that it's gonna… you know, ultimately, if it came down to those sue, make a difference. I mean, but it may still keep people more comfortable. 464 00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:22.330 John Compton: We don't think it protects you anymore if you're not saying. 465 00:53:23.980 --> 00:53:41.130 Barbara: I think it provides clarity on what's covered and what's not covered. It's not to say nobody can sue anybody, but then we'll understand, anybody can read the document and understand what the situation is, what the policy is. 466 00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:46.819 John Compton: So, just a question. Summer in the Park, we have a lot of children 467 00:53:46.970 --> 00:53:49.489 John Compton: That are coming in that are on our Grove residents. 468 00:53:49.740 --> 00:53:56.809 John Compton: And… Say, say a group of volunteers here, and the child gets hurt, and the parent 469 00:53:57.200 --> 00:54:10.129 John Compton: goes… who's not a grown person, because a grown person would never sue. But the parent goes, and they do, and they just go crazy and sue everybody, including the individual. 470 00:54:10.650 --> 00:54:19.310 John Compton: then… As Barbara said, anybody can sue anybody. Right, right. It doesn't mean it will be a successful suit. 471 00:54:20.950 --> 00:54:22.339 Jean Moyer: And I believe. 472 00:54:22.340 --> 00:54:25.290 John Compton: The park has a waiver. 473 00:54:25.290 --> 00:54:26.240 Barbara: That doesn't… 474 00:54:26.240 --> 00:54:29.810 John Compton: Responsible parties sign. Parents for kids. 475 00:54:30.270 --> 00:54:40.860 John Compton: And Swewellen, we revised that this year, with the help of, Laurel Goldberg, and Swewellen made a few changes to it, but not many. 476 00:54:41.010 --> 00:54:47.370 John Compton: And the key for the thing you're talking about is that the town is not 477 00:54:47.520 --> 00:54:53.139 John Compton: It's not responsible for anything Except negligence. 478 00:54:53.490 --> 00:54:54.610 John Compton: And, of course… 479 00:54:54.610 --> 00:55:11.470 Barbara: John, with all due respect, this is a time for the counselors to weigh in, and we've heard from you, which is valuable, thank you, but I feel like, you know, other counselors should be able to make their comments, and then we can go to a vote. 480 00:55:12.180 --> 00:55:17.109 John Compton: I'm giving information, Barbara, to understand the respective Peter's question. 481 00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:23.690 John Compton: about Summer in the Parks, and there is a waiver which base… which covers liability. 482 00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:27.049 John Compton: I think that's, useful information. 483 00:55:29.750 --> 00:55:32.150 John Compton: Okay, we have a motion on the floor. 484 00:55:32.310 --> 00:55:38.580 John Compton: to, asked Joellen to, write a… 485 00:55:42.630 --> 00:55:46.090 John Compton: Write a statement of liability. 486 00:55:46.210 --> 00:55:50.330 John Compton: Incurred by town volunteers. Is that a fair… is that a cube? 487 00:55:51.410 --> 00:55:52.060 Barbara: Yes. 488 00:55:52.060 --> 00:55:53.530 John Compton: Okay, alright. 489 00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:56.719 John Compton: Well, I don't think… I don't think it does any good. 490 00:55:56.870 --> 00:56:02.070 John Compton: to, engage Sue Ellen unless we get a document that 491 00:56:02.890 --> 00:56:11.930 John Compton: is… is… means something. It's not… and that's why… it seems like, as we said, this goes back to our insurer, and what do they insure. 492 00:56:12.420 --> 00:56:16.799 John Compton: It seems like… wouldn't the insurer be able to provide some kind of documentation for us? 493 00:56:17.940 --> 00:56:20.559 John Compton: We have an insurance policy, which is… 494 00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:22.790 Jean Moyer: 400 pages long. 495 00:56:23.260 --> 00:56:27.400 John Compton: That's 100? Did I do that correctly? A lot of that, yeah, it's, it's… 496 00:56:27.530 --> 00:56:39.600 John Compton: So, let's just say on page 277, I think it is, where they cover this. No, no, yeah, I mean, I think that's fine. My view is no, but if it was clearly stated, it would have been… 497 00:56:40.040 --> 00:56:51.940 John Compton: were given to us, and I've stopped, you know, this is what… here's a summary of what the insurance policy says about this. They do that. I mean, they have that about automobile use and other stuff we don't. 498 00:56:51.940 --> 00:57:02.390 John Compton: It'll be litigated if it comes up. Right. So I… look, I'm definitely gonna… I'm gonna go and, again, approach Suella about this. 499 00:57:02.390 --> 00:57:13.010 John Compton: You know, could you… Without spending forever, put together a statement that would, you know, Maybe reassuring, too. 500 00:57:13.620 --> 00:57:16.410 John Compton: People who… that would be a good question. 501 00:57:17.270 --> 00:57:20.860 John Compton: So, anyway, we have a motion on the table. Any other discussion? 502 00:57:22.350 --> 00:57:31.540 John Compton: All in favor of, this. Yeah. Barbara, I assume you're in favor. Patty's in. All against? 503 00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:42.699 John Compton: One… I had to take a bit of some, extensions here, extensions, two extensions. Okay, motion passes. Three… 504 00:57:43.010 --> 00:57:50.210 John Compton: to one, and I refuse to do extensions. I will, I will pursue. Thanks, John. 505 00:57:50.370 --> 00:57:51.460 John Compton: Thanks, Barbara. 506 00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:53.500 Barbara: Yeah, thanks, John. 507 00:57:53.670 --> 00:57:54.290 John Compton: Okay. 508 00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:05.229 John Compton: All right, just another last two items are announcements, music is coming up on the 13th and 14th. 509 00:58:05.550 --> 00:58:12.209 John Compton: The… with a bunch of activities on Saturday. On Sunday is a Chaz Brunch. 510 00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:28.029 John Compton: But apparently there, there had been a hits thing arranged for the Circle Fest, which couldn't happen, and that will happen along with the Jazz Punch on the 7th day. It's the Magic Bus. The Magic Bunch, yes. 511 00:58:28.770 --> 00:58:34.339 John Compton: No, it is. It is still fanatic bus, no doubt. 512 00:58:34.570 --> 00:58:43.919 John Compton: Was it fun? It flies. Yeah, cool. And then, and then because, the council meeting will come after the July 4th. 513 00:58:44.210 --> 00:58:45.510 John Compton: celebration. 514 00:58:45.930 --> 00:58:52.750 John Compton: Everybody should be aware that's coming up, and the bulletin, details. 515 00:58:52.980 --> 00:58:55.369 John Compton: Of the schedule for that, dry flood. 516 00:58:55.910 --> 00:59:02.769 John Compton: events, the… ever popular parade, field, the… 517 00:59:03.290 --> 00:59:05.540 John Compton: You know, judging, the hospitals, etc. 518 00:59:05.900 --> 00:59:06.680 John Compton: Alright. 519 00:59:07.750 --> 00:59:11.049 John Compton: That's all I have in my report. Anyone do you have anything else? 520 00:59:11.240 --> 00:59:13.169 John Compton: Needs to be set here. 521 00:59:13.750 --> 00:59:16.720 John Compton: If not, we will go on administrative matters. 522 00:59:17.850 --> 00:59:22.540 John Compton: This shouldn't take all that long, but, you never know, something a little awesome. 523 00:59:23.680 --> 00:59:30.660 John Compton: First one is the budget, the budget transfer resolution, which… I should have salmon. 524 00:59:31.570 --> 00:59:42.249 John Compton: Which one, which you saw. Right. So, I need a motion… Motion to approve. Yeah, a motion to introduce… Introduce it. Peter has, has moved, and… 525 00:59:43.080 --> 00:59:49.680 John Compton: The actors seconded, the budget signature resolution. Any other discussion? All in favor? 526 00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:52.190 John Compton: Alright, bet. 527 00:59:52.410 --> 00:59:57.359 John Compton: Motion pass… the resolution is adopted. Next item, 528 00:59:57.470 --> 01:00:00.769 John Compton: I'm gonna let Chris, talk to 529 01:00:01.720 --> 01:00:08.120 John Compton: But, it's titled, Adhering to Resolution 200207. 530 01:00:08.330 --> 01:00:14.570 John Compton: The Catherine Hall use regulations by all users, you know, it's the old users, 531 01:00:17.860 --> 01:00:21.220 John Compton: So, so I wanted limited to 5 minutes, so I'll pop that's fine. 532 01:00:21.430 --> 01:00:28.010 John Compton: Right. as we all know, MacArthur Hall has gone through a significant amount of, of, 533 01:00:28.260 --> 01:00:30.940 John Compton: Refurbishment, restoration, cleaning. 534 01:00:31.250 --> 01:00:42.890 John Compton: And painting. So, if you take a look at the, Martin Drill website on there for rentals, there… it makes reference to, actually, two resolutions. One's outdated, but… 535 01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:59.420 John Compton: Resolution 2015-08, and it superseded, by Resolution 2307. In both cases, it says resolution regulations for the rental Kathleen Hall. However, there's a statement towards the bottom of this that says. 536 01:00:59.420 --> 01:01:09.479 John Compton: that this also applies to town-sponsored events. So, in other words, Anybody that uses the hall. 537 01:01:09.930 --> 01:01:16.520 John Compton: has to… You know, comply with this resolution, which talks about 538 01:01:17.040 --> 01:01:24.259 John Compton: Security deposits and all that, but it also talks about, occupancy requirements and… 539 01:01:25.010 --> 01:01:38.559 John Compton: primarily cleanup requirements. There's also a checklist, you know, it talks about alcoholic beverages, smoking, prohibitions, you know, within 50 feet. Everybody needs to read this, and everybody needs to sign a document. 540 01:01:40.620 --> 01:01:58.270 John Compton: providing, information, contact information, to our town administrator, or, you know, basically it's on the website, too, it's talked… it's called, Application for Use of, Catherine Hall by Washington Grove Organizations. 541 01:01:59.120 --> 01:02:09.030 John Compton: And it provides the title, the dates for where you're going to use this, or when you're going to use this, contact people, phone numbers, and 542 01:02:09.040 --> 01:02:22.189 John Compton: it's something that goes to file. So, whenever there's an issue, like I ran into last year, when somewhere in the park, so last week, we ran into an emergency here with the fire suppression system, I didn't know who to contact. 543 01:02:22.630 --> 01:02:41.400 John Compton: And I was scrambled, trying to, trying to, you know, make appropriate contacts so that the kids could be protected, in addition to the building with the fire suppression system. So, that's the importance of this. Please, everybody, go to the website, read these resolutions, read the, the forms. 544 01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:44.460 John Compton: Adhere to the, to the requirement. 545 01:02:46.600 --> 01:02:58.720 John Compton: That's all I have. Oh, I would just say that, so I went online with CircleFest and pulled up the form, which I actually find very easily, filled it out online, and just forwarded it to… 546 01:02:59.890 --> 01:03:07.660 John Compton: one of those people behind me. And it was amazingly easy to do, painless, which it usually isn't. So, 547 01:03:07.860 --> 01:03:20.240 John Compton: The system is one of those things that really work well in the world. I have two to do, by the way. And I think the thing is, is it just that it's an oversight, and nobody really… 548 01:03:20.640 --> 01:03:36.070 John Compton: you know, realize it was there. The fact that we have two resolutions pretty much saying the same thing, the town decided that there was a significance and an importance to follow through with this. So, please, please adhere to the resolution. 549 01:03:36.830 --> 01:03:37.530 John Compton: Bye. 550 01:03:38.500 --> 01:03:41.000 John Compton: It's, it's, you know, the, the, the 551 01:03:42.060 --> 01:03:49.149 John Compton: Besides being relatively easy to do, the idea is just to refresh your memory about the kind of the… the… 552 01:03:49.260 --> 01:04:04.799 John Compton: things that are required when you're using the hole. I think there's something about recycling in there, something I have noticed has not been terribly present, and that may be partially a fault, we don't have enough recycling bins, whatever, but it's just… 553 01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:10.670 John Compton: One of the things that, an activity here at the Hall 554 01:04:11.470 --> 01:04:15.290 John Compton: what the Council wants to happen. 555 01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:27.579 John Compton: During those activities. So, just making this routine application, you know, you've been using the hall for years, now you have to fill out an application, but the point is to review 556 01:04:27.690 --> 01:04:29.740 John Compton: What edits needs to be done? 557 01:04:30.130 --> 01:04:39.759 John Compton: Yeah, it provides not only what needs to be done, safety features, but also contact points for the town if something were to go wrong, or 558 01:04:40.010 --> 01:04:59.590 John Compton: And that's the other thing, too, clean up. There's a hall closing checklist on the website, also, that makes it very easy for somebody who is using the facility, be it renters or events, to just use this checklist, and it tells you how to lock the place up, you know, clean the place up. 559 01:04:59.820 --> 01:05:13.920 John Compton: And turn off the lights. So, and then what you do when you leave is setting it up for the next person to come in and rent. Nobody wants to clean somebody else's mess, bottom line, so… 560 01:05:14.070 --> 01:05:14.990 John Compton: Thank you. 561 01:05:15.720 --> 01:05:16.450 John Compton: Of course. 562 01:05:17.350 --> 01:05:18.270 John Compton: Okay. 563 01:05:18.830 --> 01:05:20.360 John Compton: Alright, 564 01:05:20.590 --> 01:05:30.220 John Compton: I just want to revisit briefly, briefly, the kind of administrator, Anna Spear. She started, last week. 565 01:05:30.510 --> 01:05:36.959 John Compton: You know, she's already an old prose. At least some people seem to think so. 566 01:05:37.460 --> 01:05:42.869 John Compton: You know, we, we, we have, we have tremendous acquisitions. 567 01:05:43.100 --> 01:05:44.449 John Compton: Well, our school. 568 01:05:44.450 --> 01:05:47.609 Tom Land: She's not on the camera, and you could introduce her. 569 01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:55.110 John Compton: Oh, I'm sorry, she was introduced to the last one. Yeah, I'm sorry, you see her extended poster, please. 570 01:05:55.640 --> 01:06:03.390 John Compton: Yeah, right there, Stretch, I'm there. Yeah, scoot down. 571 01:06:03.470 --> 01:06:21.169 John Compton: Okay, you're welcome to come in and say hello, of course, and, you know, put a face to the name. But we have high expectations of what you'll be able to accomplish. 572 01:06:21.570 --> 01:06:24.750 John Compton: But by the end, by, by the end. But of course. 573 01:06:24.850 --> 01:06:43.159 John Compton: first, she needs to, which is why she's overlapping Kathy, is, you know, you have to learn the ropes as to how… how, interactions, you know, what you need to do during the day, you know, talking to residents and what they need, and the whole basic clerk. 574 01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:45.160 John Compton: Portion of the job. 575 01:06:45.350 --> 01:06:48.810 John Compton: Which you're not gonna learn in 2 weeks, you're not gonna learn in a month. 576 01:06:49.190 --> 01:06:55.270 John Compton: It'll take at least a year, because things change within a year. But in addition to that, we do have these 577 01:06:55.770 --> 01:06:59.930 John Compton: We, we believe, and it's more than capable of 578 01:07:00.030 --> 01:07:19.389 John Compton: of helping implement, some really, desirable services. I… we're not going to list them here. Don't overwhelm her, you don't want to be at ease. Yeah, that's… that was my last… We… we want to keep, you know, we want to keep everything manageable. 579 01:07:19.540 --> 01:07:27.929 John Compton: And we're gonna try and do that. We have the same group that hired her is going to… is, going to, 580 01:07:29.140 --> 01:07:34.409 John Compton: Help set the priorities for these other, 581 01:07:37.350 --> 01:07:40.790 John Compton: Services and whatever, and we think she's going to be very helpful. 582 01:07:41.130 --> 01:07:41.920 John Compton: and provide them. 583 01:07:42.630 --> 01:07:45.020 John Compton: Okay, that was all I wanted to say on that. 584 01:07:47.170 --> 01:07:50.170 John Compton: Next item is Summer in the Parks Update eBook. 585 01:07:50.700 --> 01:07:55.369 John Compton: Paternal could not be here tonight, but she did provide a written, 586 01:07:55.690 --> 01:08:03.549 John Compton: summary of where the preparations for Summer in the Parks is. I'm not going to go through it, it's in the materials. 587 01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:14.160 John Compton: But, everyone will recall that this year, the, the Summer in the Parks, classified as a youth camp. 588 01:08:14.500 --> 01:08:17.180 John Compton: Day, partial day as it is. 589 01:08:17.290 --> 01:08:22.330 John Compton: Is going to be, permanent or licensed by a state. 590 01:08:22.760 --> 01:08:33.729 John Compton: That's… that has incurred a, as you might imagine, a substantial amount of paperwork And… And, and organizing. 591 01:08:35.100 --> 01:08:45.529 John Compton: done once, it'll be much easier the next time, but this is the first, and she and Laurel have, almost got it all together, and… 592 01:08:45.899 --> 01:08:48.420 John Compton: You can read… you should read her report. 593 01:08:49.140 --> 01:08:55.470 John Compton: This was an unforeseen, huge volunteer time… 594 01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:59.140 John Compton: Commitment for this year. Much more so than usual. 595 01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:07.450 John Compton: And by the way, I was oversubscribed. They had… number of… 596 01:09:08.080 --> 01:09:11.789 John Compton: People this year, so it's still a popular, very popular program. 597 01:09:12.810 --> 01:09:20.179 John Compton: All right, last item, is, has to do with the basketball court resurfacing, and I remember that Peter 598 01:09:21.390 --> 01:09:29.160 John Compton: speak to this. So, going back historically, so last year, we put out our eBay with 599 01:09:29.550 --> 01:09:35.710 John Compton: I had 3… yeah, two, I think, as I came back. The, I had… it all began with… 600 01:09:36.120 --> 01:09:42.760 John Compton: It all began with this tiny company that said they could do it for $15,000. 601 01:09:42.950 --> 01:09:51.140 John Compton: And, so we put $15,000 in the budget. By the time we got around, to actually, 602 01:09:51.970 --> 01:09:55.209 John Compton: Putting the bids out, and they were… they were gone. 603 01:09:55.340 --> 01:10:03.529 John Compton: So, we had one company in Atlantic Asphalt, who, was the middle bidder, who we liked, and, 604 01:10:03.530 --> 01:10:16.110 John Compton: we said, well, we couldn't… we didn't have the money last year to do it, so we decided we put the money for this year. So anyway, I got… finally got back in touch with The Atlantic, and last year their bid was around 22-something. 605 01:10:16.230 --> 01:10:25.180 John Compton: And the cost of asphalt has gone up 5% since she… since the… as you know, gas has gone up 25%. 25% since the… 606 01:10:25.400 --> 01:10:37.809 John Compton: the, doing what the war or whatever, and I was expecting a price of over $30,000, for this, but they got the bid back to me, Friday, and I had to confirm it today. 607 01:10:37.810 --> 01:10:49.050 John Compton: And I said, I sent it out, I don't know, this coach, but I sent it out to you. It was, like, a little over $25,000 to, resurface the basketball to our specifications. 608 01:10:49.270 --> 01:10:57.469 John Compton: And… and that includes also lining the courts professionally. So they would do this for that price. 609 01:10:57.740 --> 01:11:04.320 John Compton: And, Steve and I met with the company last year, twice, and came out twice, and… 610 01:11:04.540 --> 01:11:09.620 John Compton: Measured the course, did all the specs on it, nice people. And, 611 01:11:09.730 --> 01:11:22.510 John Compton: When we put the RFP out, we specified exactly what we wanted, the fabric, the amount of asphalt that went on, cleanup, everything. And their proposal that we sent covers all of that. 612 01:11:22.620 --> 01:11:23.780 John Compton: Steve. 613 01:11:24.010 --> 01:11:33.540 John Compton: Let's how to press myself. Steve went through the RFP and looked at it, had a couple of questions, which they answered, and we're pretty confident, that this is a, you know, this is a good 614 01:11:33.670 --> 01:11:38.619 John Compton: way to go forward with it. And so, what I'd like to do is make the motion. 615 01:11:38.840 --> 01:11:44.420 John Compton: To, at least open up the conversation as far as, accepting, 616 01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:46.710 John Compton: Then it led to asphalt's bid. 617 01:11:48.630 --> 01:12:05.220 John Compton: Right now. And also, like, you could… you could look at their website, and look at their ratings, from their customers, which is, you know, 5 out of 5. It's… it's… it's legit. They have nice pictures, they show you what they've done. They also meet tennis courts, John, by the way. They're gonna meet the next week, where we can meet. 618 01:12:05.320 --> 01:12:24.270 John Compton: But we'll talk about that. But anyway, what's that? I said the price must be getting cheaper. No, so, yeah, the other… as we've discussed this, I was just saying, talking to them today, that, the prices are… are… it's like, you know, it's like a slunky or a yo-yo. It's… it's… 619 01:12:24.350 --> 01:12:34.229 John Compton: it's not gonna go, like, you know, like, the gas isn't going down as quickly as it should. And talking with, this woman who works there, and she said she is really, really nervous about 620 01:12:34.380 --> 01:12:47.000 John Compton: the future of, you know, what they're doing right now because of the prices of what's happening with asphalt. It's really affecting their business significantly. So, it's not going to get cheaper than it is right now. It's probably going to go up. 621 01:12:47.200 --> 01:13:06.590 John Compton: And I would just, you know, I feel like, that's good. I also, I also feel for the, for the playground committee, I think that, for them, you know, this isn't part of the master plan per se, but it's one of those little wins that they would have to fix it up. I think it would be a positive move. So, discussion. 622 01:13:07.530 --> 01:13:11.790 John Compton: Have you made a motion, is there a second? 623 01:13:12.090 --> 01:13:15.660 John Compton: Did you catch that entire muscle. 624 01:13:16.550 --> 01:13:27.159 John Compton: Seconded. So, I didn't catch exactly what the motion was. Oh, okay. Motion should open the conversation, and we accept Mid-Atlantic for our vendor. 625 01:13:29.130 --> 01:13:32.000 John Compton: This is not to reward them the contract. 626 01:13:32.910 --> 01:13:34.820 John Compton: It's to talk with them about 627 01:13:35.210 --> 01:13:46.089 John Compton: No, I would like… I would like to make the motion to award the contract. That's what… that's most… that's the motion I was trying to make. So you're striking the other one? Yeah, strike that, and we'll take it simple. We'll second that. 628 01:13:47.820 --> 01:13:48.870 John Compton: I'm in favor of it. 629 01:13:49.420 --> 01:13:52.650 John Compton: I, I just have one comment. The, the, 630 01:13:52.910 --> 01:13:55.060 John Compton: At this point, with the, 631 01:13:56.030 --> 01:13:57.699 John Compton: Well, it doesn't matter where we spend them. 632 01:13:57.830 --> 01:14:01.129 John Compton: I mean, we can spend it before… I doubt we can spend it. 633 01:14:01.290 --> 01:14:21.170 John Compton: We have to sign the contract, so this is just awarding the contract, then we have the contract. We have the contract. And then we have to get the work done. Don't we have $30,000 budgeted for this already? There isn't this year, and it's also the next year. Right, okay. Yeah. So, $25,000… $5,000 under the budget. 634 01:14:21.300 --> 01:14:28.569 John Compton: Well, there will be other things for… I was… I was gonna ask, yeah, I was gonna ask for $30,000, because there could be… 635 01:14:28.980 --> 01:14:37.599 John Compton: you know, some add-ons that take place. Good question. They're in there as separate playground money, right? Isn't that? 636 01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:44.749 John Compton: Let's not get into that. That's about on track. The on-track would be for the amount they propose. 637 01:14:44.910 --> 01:15:02.710 John Compton: the… whether other work needs to be done. I mean, maybe a new basketball pole. I'm making that up. I mean, a pole for the basket, or something else. That has to come out of money somewhere, not part of the contract. Like I said, Steve, RJ's gotta put some dirt around and stuff like that. 638 01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:06.899 John Compton: Yeah. Because also the thing is that it takes… it's gonna take… they're both solid. 639 01:15:06.950 --> 01:15:25.400 John Compton: So they wouldn't be able to begin until a month anyway, so it's, it's… But you can sign it before. Right. And I'm not sure, though, if we sign it, it still may not lock us in, if we can find out in terms of that price. Do they have a guarantee, also? 640 01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:31.569 John Compton: Yeah, they have a one-year guarantee, and then they also have guarantees that we, warranties we can buy. 641 01:15:31.830 --> 01:15:39.610 John Compton: going on, but I would think that would be something that we would need to do that. The courts aren't, you know, they're not exactly overused. 642 01:15:40.030 --> 01:15:49.420 John Compton: So, and the fabric they put down with them as specified really helps, keep the water from getting underneath. That would cause it to go up. Yeah, I mean, this is… 643 01:15:50.160 --> 01:15:54.030 John Compton: Yeah, seems like it's… it's a good company. 644 01:15:54.460 --> 01:16:01.479 John Compton: We've been talking about it forever. A lot of people really want to get it done. I think, we have some happy, happy… 645 01:16:01.880 --> 01:16:02.840 John Compton: Campus. 646 01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:05.949 John Compton: But not somewhere in the park, and we'll be ready for that. 647 01:16:06.830 --> 01:16:07.640 John Compton: Go ahead. 648 01:16:08.100 --> 01:16:20.089 John Compton: Okay, so the motion, the motion is to approve awarding on a contract to, redo the pastoral Court to whatever their name is. Oh, yeah, Ben Lansing. Yeah, then Lindsey. 649 01:16:20.470 --> 01:16:23.820 John Compton: all in favor? 650 01:16:24.310 --> 01:16:25.740 John Compton: Is she 5 here? 651 01:16:26.200 --> 01:16:34.390 John Compton: Oh, she's over there. All right, all right, yeah. Probably less on you. 652 01:16:34.940 --> 01:16:39.400 John Compton: So, you know, this is something you get involved in? 653 01:16:39.850 --> 01:16:41.489 John Compton: Alright. Beautiful. 654 01:16:41.750 --> 01:16:58.730 John Compton: All right, so now the next item, I moved up is a little bit out of order, nobody questioned it. It was at the request of, Ava Paulston. And this item is, an ordinance to sell 655 01:16:58.900 --> 01:17:02.050 John Compton: land on 2nd Avenue to 656 01:17:02.620 --> 01:17:13.409 John Compton: This is one of the properties in Article 17, or this is… that was, found to… to have, 657 01:17:15.350 --> 01:17:20.400 John Compton: That probably pre-existed the survey, but when the blocks 658 01:17:20.730 --> 01:17:29.030 John Compton: When the town did its surveys, it was discovered that ports of certain structures were on town property, and they'd been on down 659 01:17:29.630 --> 01:17:36.090 John Compton: In order to resolve that situation, we're about 8… mining properties. 660 01:17:36.490 --> 01:17:49.189 John Compton: We, we came up with a process that would enable, them to purchase the property, the, the, the, the town property that their structures are on. 661 01:17:49.680 --> 01:17:58.549 John Compton: It comes with a… with a, condition, however, because they're all… all of these have, historic 662 01:17:58.940 --> 01:18:05.920 John Compton: Per, towns… Town historic implications for the buildings. 663 01:18:06.140 --> 01:18:14.529 John Compton: And so, it includes these… the sale includes some, restrictions to. 664 01:18:14.700 --> 01:18:26.660 John Compton: Not, or to meet the historic, character, Features in any subsequent building… 665 01:18:27.030 --> 01:18:28.630 John Compton: painting, whatever. 666 01:18:29.610 --> 01:18:34.220 John Compton: So, this is just one of them. We've done this 3 times now already. 667 01:18:34.530 --> 01:18:45.359 John Compton: So, the ordinance is prepared. Basically, this is an introduction. It requires a public hearing. 668 01:18:45.540 --> 01:18:47.770 John Compton: And before it can be, 669 01:18:47.940 --> 01:18:56.820 John Compton: adopted, and then it's a sale. It will require an actual sale. It's a sale document as well. 670 01:18:58.270 --> 01:19:01.770 John Compton: So that's my, my preamble on this. 671 01:19:02.100 --> 01:19:05.009 John Compton: I need a motion to introduce it. 672 01:19:05.280 --> 01:19:12.529 John Compton: I'll move to introduce. Mary moves. All right, I'll go on the second introduction of this ordinance. 673 01:19:12.690 --> 01:19:18.250 John Compton: We need to set a date for a public hearing, which I suggest. 674 01:19:18.780 --> 01:19:23.570 John Compton: It will be the first thing at July's Council meeting? 675 01:19:24.240 --> 01:19:32.600 John Compton: To… for any comments on the proposal. It involves declaring the property 676 01:19:33.210 --> 01:19:36.670 John Compton: That is being sold as surplus. 677 01:19:36.970 --> 01:19:41.110 John Compton: So there's a… there's a procedure for selling town land in the hearing. 678 01:19:42.660 --> 01:19:45.460 John Compton: We'll… we'll allow people to comment on that. 679 01:19:46.460 --> 01:19:51.180 John Compton: All right, so it's moved and seconded to… for this ordinance, to be introduced. 680 01:19:51.580 --> 01:19:52.879 John Compton: Any discussion? 681 01:19:55.320 --> 01:19:56.320 John Compton: Alright. 682 01:19:57.030 --> 01:20:02.520 John Compton: I'm glad you guys aren't asking the history of this one. The history of this one, they already have an easement. 683 01:20:02.970 --> 01:20:08.620 John Compton: With that, so the house… Caught fire, and had to be rebuilt. 684 01:20:09.010 --> 01:20:15.490 John Compton: This is… and in order to… and then when it… so rebuilding, it involved rebuilding on the down land. 685 01:20:15.610 --> 01:20:30.059 John Compton: Well, that has certain issues. We know about property issues here, right? So, the solution there was to grant, the Folsom an easement. Not a purchase, but an easement, because we didn't have this purchase procedure. 686 01:20:30.490 --> 01:20:50.240 John Compton: I don't think. So they… she got an easement so she could rebuild the porch exactly pretty much exactly the way it was before the bio. And now, this is turning that easement into a curse. It looks really nice. The house looks screwed up. And everybody loves to rebuild it. That can't be said often enough. 687 01:20:50.720 --> 01:20:55.410 John Compton: Okay, any other comments? All in favor? No. 688 01:20:55.580 --> 01:21:03.140 John Compton: All right, but yeah. Okay. 689 01:21:03.140 --> 01:21:06.010 Eva Polston: So, July meeting is when we'll do the public hearing? 690 01:21:06.300 --> 01:21:07.840 John Compton: I'm sorry, it's decent. 691 01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:09.070 Eva Polston: July meeting? 692 01:21:09.440 --> 01:21:17.239 John Compton: The July meeting will be the public hearing, and then almost certainly, the Council will vote on it after, at the regular part of the meeting. 693 01:21:17.560 --> 01:21:18.080 John Compton: Great. 694 01:21:18.080 --> 01:21:18.840 Eva Polston: Thank you. 695 01:21:19.550 --> 01:21:29.619 John Compton: Alright, oh, that's the back part. Okay, so now we move on to a piece of unfinished business. 696 01:21:29.730 --> 01:21:39.340 John Compton: which is pretty much the last thing before Council reports, and that is the playground renovation and Modernization RF. 697 01:21:39.780 --> 01:21:45.789 John Compton: design RFP, that we discussed two meetings ago. 698 01:21:46.740 --> 01:21:50.450 John Compton: in… in April, I believe. And… 699 01:21:50.610 --> 01:22:00.390 John Compton: The playground committee has been working pretty hard on this, and has brought a draft RFP. 700 01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:07.560 John Compton: for consideration by the Council, and we'll start off with Oscar Ramos, who is the, 701 01:22:08.130 --> 01:22:19.390 John Compton: chair, who will give us a brief, relatively brief, introduction to it, except I have to… I can't do it correct. You're not going to show anything? 702 01:22:19.390 --> 01:22:22.749 Oscar Ramos: Yeah, please, yeah, if you can, let me, share my screen. 703 01:22:25.690 --> 01:22:27.660 John Compton: I have to go to another computer to do that. 704 01:22:27.660 --> 01:22:28.880 Oscar Ramos: Hey, sorry about that. 705 01:22:29.300 --> 01:22:32.899 John Compton: You've gotta go home. I'll be back in a half hour. 706 01:22:32.900 --> 01:22:33.610 Oscar Ramos: Yeah, I know. 707 01:22:33.610 --> 01:22:35.199 John Compton: Yeah, oh, yeah. 708 01:22:35.200 --> 01:22:37.269 Oscar Ramos: I want to give people an overview. 709 01:22:37.270 --> 01:22:37.700 John Compton: What the hell? 710 01:22:37.700 --> 01:22:38.150 Oscar Ramos: timeline. 711 01:22:38.190 --> 01:22:40.130 John Compton: Yeah, go ahead, you can start. 712 01:22:40.130 --> 01:22:40.980 Oscar Ramos: Yeah. 713 01:22:40.980 --> 01:22:42.689 John Compton: Well, it is stupid. 714 01:22:46.000 --> 01:23:04.859 Oscar Ramos: And there's a lot of questions about the playground, what's been happening, what's, you know, what we have planned, so yeah, I just kind of want to remind everyone how we got to this point, what's in the RFP in terms of big picture. I already sent the draft to the council members late last week, and so really what I hope to have today is more of a back and forth in terms of 715 01:23:04.860 --> 01:23:12.620 Oscar Ramos: guidance from the Council. You've already seen the document. As we continue to work on it, we really just need to understand 716 01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:19.109 Oscar Ramos: what form you want it to take. So I see you've got me as the co-host, so let me see… let me share this here. 717 01:23:19.750 --> 01:23:24.490 Oscar Ramos: And… here we go, so… Can y'all see my screen? 718 01:23:24.790 --> 01:23:25.470 John Compton: Yes. 719 01:23:25.470 --> 01:23:26.900 Oscar Ramos: Great, okay, 720 01:23:26.920 --> 01:23:50.099 Oscar Ramos: So, yeah, thank you for the time to speak at this meeting. So, yeah, I just want to go over the timeline. I'll speak quickly, you can read the screen, so I'm not going to read everything at you here, but that's the outline of what I want to cover. The main thing is to get feedback, because the committee's been doing a lot of work to prepare this draft, and yeah, we're at the point now where we need to get clarity from the Council in terms of what you want it to look like. 721 01:23:50.100 --> 01:23:58.780 Oscar Ramos: So, for everyone who maybe hasn't been up to, you know, stayed up to date with all the ins and outs of this process, this process began in December… 722 01:23:58.780 --> 01:24:00.530 Oscar Ramos: 2024, 723 01:24:00.530 --> 01:24:24.969 Oscar Ramos: when the council voted to remove the metal jungle Gym, there was a request that any future changes to the playground should be accompanied by a plan over, that would outline what's being removed, what's going in, so that any future changes to the playground are done with some kind of cohesive vision so that things aren't being done piecemeal. So all of last year, we convened a work group 724 01:24:24.970 --> 01:24:34.770 Oscar Ramos: that developed a comprehensive plan. And so that's what the Council voted on in December, and so that… I'll summarize that really briefly soon. 725 01:24:34.770 --> 01:24:42.960 Oscar Ramos: January, we created the Playground Committee, and we've been tasked with implementing this playground comprehensive plan, 726 01:24:43.060 --> 01:25:07.459 Oscar Ramos: And so, we began… there's been a lot of shifting in this whole process. So, we began, January with $30,000 allocated in the budget, but at the same time, we were waiting on the outcome of a state grant. And so, the playground committee held off on requesting any purchases out of that $30,000 because we wanted to see what the outcome of the state grant would be. 727 01:25:07.460 --> 01:25:10.669 Oscar Ramos: and then we got the state grant. And so, 728 01:25:10.770 --> 01:25:21.109 Oscar Ramos: We now have access to, a quarter million dollars reimbursable, so we have to spend the money first, and then apply to have that money be reimbursed. and so… 729 01:25:21.110 --> 01:25:42.469 Oscar Ramos: right around when that happened, we were starting to consider, you know, a train set, and then we got the request from the council and the mayor saying, we need to produce a site plan with the specific dimensions where every piece of equipment's going to go, that addresses the water mitigation measures, because there's standing water in some of these areas. And so at that point, we said, as a committee, 730 01:25:42.470 --> 01:25:54.520 Oscar Ramos: we should pay for professionals to produce this plan, that can really address all the questions that the Council will have. And so, the Council authorized us to develop an RFP, and 731 01:25:54.620 --> 01:26:17.960 Oscar Ramos: And so that's what we've been working on over the past… the past few weeks. So just to give everyone just kind of a brief overview of this comprehensive plan, this is what the work group developed last year. It's complex. You know, there's… we divided up the playground into 9 different zones, and it's not a wholesale remodeling, kind of going from the ground up. 732 01:26:17.960 --> 01:26:25.239 Oscar Ramos: We're keeping a lot of the vintage or legacy equipment, like the merry-go-round, a big discussion around that, or the horse wings. 733 01:26:25.250 --> 01:26:48.700 Oscar Ramos: there is some equipment that will be removed, including the, you know, the middle jungle gym, which has been designated for removal since 2024. And we have an idea of certain kinds of equipment that we'd like to purchase and install in different areas, and there's… we… the plan includes an option for us to design and build some of that equipment ourselves. Specifically. 734 01:26:48.700 --> 01:26:59.170 Oscar Ramos: the Circle Village. The idea was that we could have, you know, Grove architects, design something that looks very Grovey and have people build it out. And so, 735 01:26:59.310 --> 01:27:23.780 Oscar Ramos: it's, like I said, it's a complex plan that we're trying to get implemented. So, in the meantime, we've been talking to different firms to get a sense of, what is it that playground firms do, so that we can write an RFP with those kinds of services in mind. And what we found is that there's different types of playground firms. Here's an example of one of them. This is the… if you've ever been to Constitutional Gardens. 736 01:27:23.780 --> 01:27:26.239 Oscar Ramos: in Old Town Gaithersburg. 737 01:27:26.290 --> 01:27:35.169 Oscar Ramos: This was designed by a firm in Washington, D.C, and they have a lot of services in-house. So, you know, for example. 738 01:27:35.170 --> 01:28:00.159 Oscar Ramos: this kind of firm, they do design-build projects. So an RFP that speaks to this kind of firm is a design-build firm, where you put out an RFP for the design, and then they also build it. And so this particular firm did this design for Gaithersburg, and then partnered with a company to implement the design as one single contract. And so, you know, they have in-house civil engineers that address erosion 739 01:28:00.160 --> 01:28:23.819 Oscar Ramos: soil control, they're well-versed in ADA guidance. They work with the installers, there's community meetings. They estimated 10% of the overall budget is what they charge for the design, and then the idea is the rest of it would be spent on the actual, you know, services and the materials and the equipment. That's one approach, and that's the first place that we interviewed. A different kind is, 740 01:28:24.130 --> 01:28:37.150 Oscar Ramos: a playground firm that, does the design. So it's a two-step process. You put out an RFP for a design, and then we receive the design, and then we bid out for contractors to then 741 01:28:37.150 --> 01:28:45.359 Oscar Ramos: build the design. And so this is an example from a firm that developed this park at Garrett Park. 742 01:28:45.360 --> 01:29:09.570 Oscar Ramos: And so these are examples of the… what we're assuming is the kind of site plan that you requested, which is why we're doing this whole process. And so, you can see here, they'll give you the renderings and then the very specific site plan with the paths and all the dimensions and all that kind of stuff. This kind of firm is… you're paying for the design, and then I guess there would be another RFP, where then we have people bid on that design. 743 01:29:10.360 --> 01:29:19.759 Oscar Ramos: So that's another kind of approach to this. And then you have the, like, the playground manufacts, and these are, they, they, 744 01:29:19.930 --> 01:29:31.069 Oscar Ramos: this is Cunningham Recreation, you know, they do the one-step RFP, where they give you the plan for the equipment, you're paying for the equipment, and that incorporates the… 745 01:29:31.160 --> 01:29:55.000 Oscar Ramos: the land preparation, you know, to address drainage, you know, around that equipment, it's not a civil engineering, kind of an in-house whole playground design kind of firm. They will give you the maps, they'll give you the renderings, they'll do the drainage, the land prep around the pieces, and my understanding is that they don't have a design line item fee. You're paying for the equipment. 746 01:29:55.000 --> 01:30:16.149 Oscar Ramos: and then all the services accompany the equipment. So there's three very different ways of approaching this, and, you know, with that in mind, we started working on a draft RFP. I'm not going to go through and walk everyone through the draft RFP. I think really more what we want now is to have the Council give us some feedback in terms of, you know, what you want us to do in the final draft. But, 747 01:30:16.460 --> 01:30:30.159 Oscar Ramos: I want to give thanks to Laurel, Lisa, Peggy, John, Evan Whalen, Andy, Jonathan, for writing and working on this over the past few weeks. And, so the council members, you got the draft. 748 01:30:30.160 --> 01:30:41.759 Oscar Ramos: last week, around Thursday, late Thursday, and we've had a lot of back and forth with a few of you, so I just want to thank everyone who's… who's given us feedback already, because really what, at this point, 749 01:30:42.020 --> 01:30:52.930 Oscar Ramos: I think what's… what's… we're learning is that we have different ideas in terms of what should be in this draft, and so it's been a worthwhile process to develop it, but really, 750 01:30:53.180 --> 01:30:59.740 Oscar Ramos: The way that we wrote our draft, was that it's a design and build. 751 01:30:59.740 --> 01:31:24.070 Oscar Ramos: RFP. I think now, being familiar with these different approaches, I think it's fair to say that ours is a design and build RFP, kind of in line with the first example, like the Old Town, Gaithersburg Park, which is a design and build, or it could even be for the equipment company, where they're developing a plan based off the equipment, and they do the ground prep. And so that's… those were the assumptions that we 752 01:31:24.150 --> 01:31:41.830 Oscar Ramos: that we had when we wrote this up. And, I mean, the idea is that we're asking the firms to study our comprehensive plan, and develop a design that implements it. And, we're prioritizing certain zones, zones 1, 753 01:31:41.840 --> 01:32:04.020 Oscar Ramos: 4, 5, and 6, that are the must builds, and then we're asking for plans for the rest of the zones. We'd like for them to give us a plan for what it would look like to build the whole thing so that we have a sense of what that would cost, and we would focus on those priority zones with the option, depending on the budget, of, of, 754 01:32:04.100 --> 01:32:09.510 Oscar Ramos: adopting the work for some of those other alternative, optional zones. 755 01:32:09.550 --> 01:32:34.490 Oscar Ramos: So that was the idea in terms of how we wrote the RFP. We send it to you. There's been a lot of feedback in terms of maybe that's not what you thought we were supposed to be doing, and so really what I'd like to have tonight is the feedback. You know, we're not wedded to any particular approach. I think our priority is to get this done sooner than later, and so that's… 756 01:32:34.490 --> 01:32:48.259 Oscar Ramos: we'd like to have a final draft for approval in July. And so, for me, there's a sense of urgency. I just want to know what is it that you want to see in a final draft? Do you want to see just the design 757 01:32:48.260 --> 01:32:58.459 Oscar Ramos: RFP, and then we have the second step later on? Or are you open to the design-build RFP in the style of, like, the first example that I showed you? 758 01:33:00.580 --> 01:33:01.510 John Compton: I have a question. 759 01:33:01.510 --> 01:33:02.090 Oscar Ramos: Yeah. 760 01:33:02.410 --> 01:33:12.499 John Compton: You, you said that just a design was probably going to be about $30,000. Do you have any idea what the cost of the… any of these comprehensive total design build would be? 761 01:33:12.500 --> 01:33:34.960 Oscar Ramos: Yeah, if I look at my notes, I mean, the Garrett Park one was, he said it was, it was a, smaller budget than what we have in the grant. And so that, that's a small park, that they did in Garrett Park. So, yeah, and then the first one, which was, like, the firm that designed the park in Gaithersburg, 762 01:33:35.190 --> 01:33:46.270 Oscar Ramos: Yeah, they spoke about, you know, it's about 10%, depending if you need certain surveys, but their goal would be to maximize the budget to be spent on the actual materials and the equipment. 763 01:33:47.100 --> 01:33:51.480 Oscar Ramos: So it sounded like it could be done within the grant. 764 01:33:53.880 --> 01:34:04.190 Oscar Ramos: And then, of course, if you look at the ones that's just the equipment reps, you're buying the equipment, and then there's certain services, the installation, the ground prep, that accompanies the equipment. 765 01:34:04.510 --> 01:34:09.179 John Compton: That's… that seems the most restrictive way to proceed, because you're pretty much… 766 01:34:10.310 --> 01:34:16.349 John Compton: Kind of marrying yourself with one manufacturer, rather than going through a design process where you pick up 767 01:34:17.030 --> 01:34:22.620 John Compton: Possibly from multiple manufacturers, picking out the best pieces that will work within the design. 768 01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:29.950 John Compton: Rather than… Picking a manufacturer and, you know, making their pieces fit within what you want to do. 769 01:34:29.950 --> 01:34:40.329 Oscar Ramos: Yeah, you know, yeah, that, that, the, the… there was one manufacturer that I just spoke with, last week, and, he was talking about, he really had read through our, our, 770 01:34:40.330 --> 01:35:03.630 Oscar Ramos: our comprehensive plan, and, you know, we spoke about the train, which is not a company that he represents, and he said, you know, if you order the train, we could install it. We would not purchase it ourselves, obviously, but, if we have it delivered, they can install it. You know, the RFP also included things like maintenance, restoration of the horse wings. And we spoke about that, too, and said, you know. 771 01:35:03.630 --> 01:35:04.700 Oscar Ramos: we couldn't… 772 01:35:05.440 --> 01:35:29.699 Oscar Ramos: his firm would not do restoration work or the reorientation of the vintage equipment because of liability issues. Some of these pieces are out of compliance with current safety standards, and so he was saying, you know, you might have some challenges with companies that would work directly on those, but he said that he could provide quotes from third parties that could do that kind of work. So there's a little bit of coordinating that I think they're willing to do. 773 01:35:29.700 --> 01:35:44.340 Oscar Ramos: But certainly, yeah, I mean, the equipment reps, they represent a few, companies. GameTime, is one of them, and then they have Lapset, which is like a, like a wooden, like a natural wood design kind of company as well. 774 01:35:48.540 --> 01:35:57.169 Oscar Ramos: I will say that, if we, if we do the design RFP, and then we wait for the designs. 775 01:35:57.620 --> 01:36:14.889 Oscar Ramos: you know, I'm assuming timeline-wise, we… if we can approve that RFP in July, then we receive the bids in August, and then we're picking, we're selecting the contract in September, we're waiting for the designs until October, we're writing a new RFP, 776 01:36:15.000 --> 01:36:16.620 Oscar Ramos: in November, December. 777 01:36:16.900 --> 01:36:26.260 Oscar Ramos: we're getting the bids in January, and then we're starting the construction January, February, and we get a snowstorm. Maybe we're starting March. 778 01:36:28.770 --> 01:36:42.430 Oscar Ramos: as opposed to having a design-build that, you know, it's one RFP, we get the design, they can work with people that can implement it, it's done in-house, and then… 779 01:36:42.770 --> 01:36:55.739 Oscar Ramos: if we approve the RFP in July, and then we get the bids, and then we can select something in September, October, they could start in the fall, and maybe we'd have that done by Memorial Day next year. 780 01:36:57.920 --> 01:37:07.509 John Compton: Are there multiple companies that would be able to give you a design build? Not the playground equipment people, but to send that RFK out to different companies? 781 01:37:07.870 --> 01:37:11.310 Oscar Ramos: Yeah, you know, we would need to look at that, you know, if, 782 01:37:11.480 --> 01:37:36.429 Oscar Ramos: Clearly the one, the DC company can do that. The second one that I showed you that was, the one that did mainly the design, and then they bid out, I would need to follow up with them as to whether that's something that they do. The, you know, the playground companies can do that, but if we're really looking for more the in-house, complete, the civil engineers that can address the water issues, we would need to find some more. 783 01:37:36.430 --> 01:37:37.669 Oscar Ramos: Dad, that can do that. 784 01:37:38.410 --> 01:37:55.180 John Compton: I would think any… any playground design firm will have access to engineers and all that kind of stuff. That's… I mean, that would be endemic to their discipline, that they'd have to have the skills and the team to be able to do that kind of analysis, so I'm not sure… 785 01:37:56.420 --> 01:38:01.480 John Compton: You have to assume that that's… just because one firm has it, that all firms wouldn't have that, so… 786 01:38:03.560 --> 01:38:08.250 John Compton: I'll just… I'm just… 787 01:38:08.550 --> 01:38:21.029 John Compton: I like… I don't… I thought that we… we originally, the Council signed on for a design first, a two-phase thing. I like the way you present it now, and design-build sounds great. 788 01:38:21.190 --> 01:38:25.989 John Compton: But in the real world, when I read through your proposal, I was totally overwhelmed. 789 01:38:26.130 --> 01:38:32.899 John Compton: with so much information, and there's so much… if I… I've spent 20 years responding to proposals. 790 01:38:33.670 --> 01:38:41.140 John Compton: Okay. And I'm reading that and going, I could never, I could never, you know, there's so many risks in there. 791 01:38:41.300 --> 01:38:51.749 John Compton: that are very difficult, and I… I mean, we all want the same thing. Yeah, yeah. We want to get the most money we can for the 250, and I'm just, like, reading that proposal, and it's… it's a… 792 01:38:52.060 --> 01:38:53.480 John Compton: Beautiful planet. 793 01:38:53.680 --> 01:39:01.439 John Compton: But knowing what people charge these days for services, you know, I don't… I don't see how… 794 01:39:01.760 --> 01:39:18.839 John Compton: it's gonna be… I mean, this could be done for $2.50, that would be fantastic. If we could have somebody that would shepherd us through that, that would be great. Like, the stormwater was very similar, when we… because it was overwhelming trying to figure out what to do, and we had the consulting come in who really helped guide us through it, put it together. It's amazing. 795 01:39:19.720 --> 01:39:31.329 John Compton: it's just that it was an amazing job to do that, and you're kind of in a similar situation. So, you know, and you guys know a lot more than we do about what's going on here. And it sounds good when you say it. 796 01:39:31.490 --> 01:39:35.680 John Compton: But like I said, when I read it, I was like, you know, you've heard all my responses. 797 01:39:35.680 --> 01:39:36.609 Oscar Ramos: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 798 01:39:36.610 --> 01:39:42.560 John Compton: I spent a lot of time, and I wanted to… I wanted to be positive about it. I didn't want to, like, make it sound like I was trying to criticize you or anything. 799 01:39:42.560 --> 01:39:43.020 Oscar Ramos: Like, no. 800 01:39:43.530 --> 01:39:54.459 John Compton: But I think, you know, John and I both had the exact kind of same response. And now I listen to you, and I go, well, maybe, you know, maybe, maybe it will, because you've talked to people, you know. 801 01:39:54.870 --> 01:39:55.190 Oscar Ramos: Well. 802 01:39:55.190 --> 01:40:00.080 John Compton: I don't necessarily think that… just because… 803 01:40:00.170 --> 01:40:09.969 John Compton: So, there is a possibility. You could… you could bid this out for design, and one of the companies you give it to is the design-build firm. Right. They can do a design. 804 01:40:09.970 --> 01:40:23.390 John Compton: Another company could do a design. You could have 3 designers come up with proposals, you know, an RFP just to do design work. And if you like the design bill firm the best, if they come up with the best design, they can still be hired. 805 01:40:23.390 --> 01:40:47.210 John Compton: Doesn't mean you… and they might even… they could even bid on another person's design they would like their best. Maybe it doesn't have a building capacity. So, you could go to that same firm, we didn't like your design, but what do we want to get you to give me an estimate on this design that we do. It gives you a lot more flexibility in terms of looking at multiple designs, or getting proposals from lots of different people. 806 01:40:47.500 --> 01:41:01.819 Oscar Ramos: here's a question I have, because you guys have more experience with RFPs and the design-only process. You know, if we bid out for a design, you know, that implements the comprehensive plan. 807 01:41:02.560 --> 01:41:02.890 John Compton: Cool. 808 01:41:02.890 --> 01:41:20.349 Oscar Ramos: Are there controls in the RFP that we can write in saying that the design that you give us should be able to be built within a certain dollar amount? I mean, they might say, okay, you've got this comprehensive plan, here's our design, and we see this beautiful design, and then… 809 01:41:20.750 --> 01:41:21.210 Oscar Ramos: Check it out. 810 01:41:21.210 --> 01:41:39.619 John Compton: If you're going through any design process, we said, this is our budget that we need to implement. Now, sometimes the designer will come back with a design, it just can't be implemented within that budget, and that's part of the design process, but certainly you can give them a goal to design with it. 811 01:41:39.880 --> 01:41:57.689 John Compton: So we only have… now, but… but you also have to realize that you could… if you have a design-only process, you can decide to build it out over time. You may have some of the money now, you could have the rest of the money in the future. So you can't build… so you wanted to concentrate on certain zones. 812 01:41:57.690 --> 01:41:58.060 Oscar Ramos: It is. 813 01:41:58.060 --> 01:42:09.240 John Compton: Well, we're just going to build out these zones this year with this money, but we'll build out the other zones next year with the rest of the money, because we have design that outlines how we're going to do that over time. 814 01:42:09.240 --> 01:42:29.170 Oscar Ramos: That's what we're… that's what we're attempting to do. I mean, so we… that's a lot of pieces to this, but the idea was that, you know, we have… the comprehensive plan has 9 different zones, and we're not going to build all that out at once. And so the idea was design-build, where you're giving us the design for the entire thing, and… but we're saying that we're going to prioritize the building for a few of these zones. 815 01:42:30.150 --> 01:42:30.960 John Compton: Right. 816 01:42:33.330 --> 01:42:49.600 Oscar Ramos: And so, they're developing the full design, but then they're focusing on the dollar amounts for those particular zones that we're emphasizing, so that we could say, okay, we like the design, and you've done it in a way where it's feasible given our grant, so let's go ahead and build it. 817 01:42:49.840 --> 01:42:51.309 Oscar Ramos: As opposed to… 818 01:42:51.620 --> 01:43:07.629 Oscar Ramos: I guess my biggest concern is just the timeline. That's really what it is. Whether it's design or design-build, itself is not the difference, it's the time that's going to push us out into late summer or maybe fall next year. 819 01:43:10.730 --> 01:43:18.100 John Compton: So, the thing that I'm remembering some of this, one of the things that concerns me is if you do a design-build. 820 01:43:18.970 --> 01:43:22.910 John Compton: There's so much information that the bidder doesn't have. 821 01:43:23.140 --> 01:43:28.909 John Compton: Like, even, like, with water remediation, things like that, where, like, what's that actually… 822 01:43:28.910 --> 01:43:43.779 John Compton: They're saying that, you know, this isn't a fixed price, this doesn't have to be a fixed price, but it is a fixed price. So say, I can do this, and this, and this, but then they finally start doing the work, and they realize, oh my god, you know, this place really has flooding over here, this place has some problems. 823 01:43:43.780 --> 01:43:56.289 John Compton: And that's just, like, one tiny facet of all the things, you know, that you're asking for in there. Whereas if you did the design first, a lot of that information can be figured out, so that they would know what they're bidding on. 824 01:43:56.630 --> 01:43:57.580 John Compton: So… 825 01:43:57.910 --> 01:44:05.410 John Compton: Yeah, that… that's… See, if you had, if you had… if you had somebody who really knew what you wanted. 826 01:44:05.590 --> 01:44:18.240 John Compton: and had a really good feel for the layout, all that stuff. Kind of had some inside information, because they come over here, they talk, and they, you know, they really researched it, then I would be more comfortable going with the design-build. 827 01:44:19.040 --> 01:44:25.680 John Compton: But if you want to be fair to the compet… I mean, if you have somebody you like, there's definitely, you know, a way of working it out. 828 01:44:25.880 --> 01:44:28.580 John Compton: I mean, it's spent all the time with the government, so… 829 01:44:28.970 --> 01:44:29.360 Oscar Ramos: I'm hungry. 830 01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:39.089 John Compton: You know, they write the proposal basically for you, if you do it. Well, they do a white paper, or whatever you want to call it this, but I don't know if you have anybody who you really like. 831 01:44:39.390 --> 01:44:41.420 Oscar Ramos: I mean, we've had, 832 01:44:41.590 --> 01:45:04.889 Oscar Ramos: to the DC firm that did the park in Gaithersburg, that's the design build, they came here, and they've taken pictures, and they kind of went to walk the area and had a lot of ideas about what they could do. The playground rep, most recent one, has been here maybe 3 times. He actually came here back when Eva was still, you know, starting this whole process, so he's familiar with the town. 833 01:45:04.930 --> 01:45:16.119 Oscar Ramos: So, yeah, we've got a couple that I think have been here, and they know the town, and they could design something, you know, with a view towards, you know, they're familiar with the grounds itself. 834 01:45:17.760 --> 01:45:18.550 John Compton: That's a note. 835 01:45:18.550 --> 01:45:37.180 Andy Bielen: I would just supplement, Oscar, you know, part of our proposed process here is to encourage potential bidders to come out, meet with us, walk the grounds. We have a draft topographical survey that was done, by Evan. 836 01:45:37.480 --> 01:45:38.610 Andy Bielen: What's his last name? 837 01:45:38.610 --> 01:45:39.300 Oscar Ramos: Waylon. 838 01:45:39.300 --> 01:45:55.650 Andy Bielen: Waylon Wright. He's actually just finished school doing, playground design for his master, so he's very, very interested in the intricacies and technical details of this stuff. So, you know, we have an idea of how the land lays now, we know what the soil types are in which areas of the park. 839 01:45:55.650 --> 01:46:11.409 Andy Bielen: So there's… there's a wealth of information for bidders to have access to ahead of… ahead of, submitting bids for this process. So, you know, obviously with any major project, you're not going to know all the issues going into it, but I think the risk of 840 01:46:11.420 --> 01:46:19.610 Andy Bielen: You know, stumbling upon something unforeseen that would cause the price to skyrocket is pretty minimal as far as this goes. 841 01:46:20.300 --> 01:46:22.429 John Compton: Hey, have you considered, just… 842 01:46:24.840 --> 01:46:25.679 Oscar Ramos: Say it again? 843 01:46:27.360 --> 01:46:29.209 Andy Bielen: You lost your audio, you're on mute. 844 01:46:32.900 --> 01:46:34.400 Andy Bielen: The room's muted. 845 01:46:34.710 --> 01:46:35.340 Oscar Ramos: Yep. 846 01:46:42.900 --> 01:46:44.559 Kristina Kough: The room itself got muted somehow. 847 01:46:44.560 --> 01:46:47.150 Oscar Ramos: Oh, yeah, the whole thing got muted. Can I unmute you? 848 01:46:47.470 --> 01:46:50.689 Oscar Ramos: I guess I'm in charge right now. 849 01:46:54.330 --> 01:47:01.109 Oscar Ramos: I don't know what… You can transfer control back to you if that would help. 850 01:47:02.200 --> 01:47:03.520 Oscar Ramos: Or do I have to do that? 851 01:47:08.280 --> 01:47:10.110 Oscar Ramos: But the whole hall just went quiet. 852 01:47:28.350 --> 01:47:29.170 Oscar Ramos: Hmm. 853 01:47:33.540 --> 01:47:35.290 Oscar Ramos: I'm trying to see how I could transfer. 854 01:47:36.420 --> 01:47:38.820 Oscar Ramos: Back to John. 855 01:47:39.000 --> 01:47:40.910 John Compton: Yeah, I got what you do. There you go. 856 01:47:41.060 --> 01:47:41.770 Oscar Ramos: There we go. 857 01:47:41.770 --> 01:47:43.250 John Compton: Okay? Can you hear me now? 858 01:47:43.250 --> 01:47:43.640 Oscar Ramos: Yes. 859 01:47:43.640 --> 01:47:44.210 Andy Bielen: Yeah. 860 01:47:44.210 --> 01:47:52.950 John Compton: All right. So, I don't know what I'm saying. No, if you… so based on this con… based on our conversation, I think it would be kind of… 861 01:47:54.450 --> 01:48:04.380 John Compton: I think a good way to go would be to spend a few thousand dollars, because this is kind of what we do with stormwater, right? Is hire a consultant to come in, look at the RFP, 862 01:48:04.490 --> 01:48:15.349 John Compton: And… and say, is this… Yeah. Yeah, how to… exactly. You know, what, does this… will this work with vendors, and then maybe rearrange it, or whatever? 863 01:48:15.350 --> 01:48:33.710 John Compton: And, you know, and somebody who knows the business, I think that would be a good way, because the RFP has all the information in it, it's well written, I just think, as I said, it's vague, as far as… there's already a lot of risk involved. And so a consultant, like, we… that was great, the guy that came in. 864 01:48:33.710 --> 01:48:39.600 John Compton: And, you know, it's like, out of $250,000, you spend $5,000 or less on it. That's a grand investment. 865 01:48:39.640 --> 01:48:40.170 John Compton: Yeah. 866 01:48:40.240 --> 01:48:40.920 Oscar Ramos: So… 867 01:48:40.920 --> 01:48:44.279 John Compton: If you could do a design and build, that'd be… that'd be fantastic. 868 01:48:44.280 --> 01:48:53.480 Oscar Ramos: So let me repeat that. So you're saying that if we got a consultant to give us feedback on the RFP, you would be okay with us aiming for a design-build RFP? 869 01:48:53.640 --> 01:49:01.710 John Compton: Well, it depends on what he says, you know, what or she. Whatever, you know, they would look at that, and they would, like, give you an advice on how to proceed. 870 01:49:02.680 --> 01:49:06.069 John Compton: Which would be a lot better than us trying to tell you what to do. 871 01:49:06.070 --> 01:49:07.029 Oscar Ramos: Right, right. 872 01:49:07.310 --> 01:49:17.650 John Compton: Yeah, the other question I have, what scares me, is design-build, but then one of the things that you said you were going to focus on was zones 1, 4, 5, and 6. 873 01:49:17.650 --> 01:49:18.129 Oscar Ramos: Right? 874 01:49:18.460 --> 01:49:22.369 John Compton: So, when you say design-build, are you gonna… are you gonna… 875 01:49:23.620 --> 01:49:37.189 John Compton: And that's where I'm kind of confused. Are you going to tell the people, design the entire facility, playground, whatever, and focus on Zone 1, with the equipment that you guys are going to stipulate, or… or… 876 01:49:37.410 --> 01:49:43.379 John Compton: You know, if you say, you know, Zone 1, 4, 5, and 6, it's going to be pretty broad for some reason. 877 01:49:43.600 --> 01:49:57.389 John Compton: you've already selected all the equipment, it sounds like, and they're going to have to price it out. And then the other question I have is, with this RFP, did you run it by anybody on F&B? 878 01:49:57.690 --> 01:50:04.890 John Compton: You know, because you're going to be doing a lot of the mediation work, and, you know, groundwater work, and… It's in the proposal. 879 01:50:04.920 --> 01:50:09.019 Oscar Ramos: So, yeah, so there, your first question. 880 01:50:09.090 --> 01:50:14.360 John Compton: Did they run that? Yeah, they said they all coordinated with M&D. 881 01:50:14.360 --> 01:50:14.760 Oscar Ramos: Yeah. 882 01:50:14.950 --> 01:50:18.599 John Compton: Contractors would, too. Yeah. So, that is included in there. 883 01:50:18.610 --> 01:50:30.100 Oscar Ramos: So, we'll go backwards. The F&B issue, you know, we'd like shading, and a question was, well, what if in the design, they're talking about, you know, trees? 884 01:50:30.100 --> 01:50:43.580 Oscar Ramos: then we absolutely want them to be able to coordinate with F&B, and that kind of thing. we are… we would ask them for a design for the entire playground, the design for the comprehensive plan. 885 01:50:43.580 --> 01:50:45.989 Oscar Ramos: So what does that look like? 886 01:50:45.990 --> 01:50:53.579 Oscar Ramos: focusing on, we're going to build out those priority areas, because we're not going to have enough money to deliver the entire thing. 887 01:50:53.580 --> 01:51:07.649 Oscar Ramos: And in those zones, you know, we want a large structure, you know, somewhere in Zone 1, so they can recommend what that looks like. We'd like to have a train, and they can coordinate with us and say, well, we want to buy a certain kind of train, and you 888 01:51:07.710 --> 01:51:29.649 Oscar Ramos: figure out where that's going to go in with this design and the ADA path and make it look cohesive. You know, we think that we can replace the small fort, you know, with another similar structure for a similar age group. So, those are the priority areas. And also Zone 6, you know, with the Circle Village, that's a priority area, and we're saying we definitely want you to 889 01:51:29.650 --> 01:51:35.720 Oscar Ramos: I have the designs for that area, and build out whatever kind of groundwork we need. 890 01:51:36.220 --> 01:51:50.539 Oscar Ramos: But we may want to build those structures ourselves, or not. So give us a plan with some recommendations for some structures, but that might be a thing that we… that we approve of the structures we're recommending for Zone 6, or we might say, you know, you're… 891 01:51:50.540 --> 01:51:57.590 Oscar Ramos: Prepping the ground, because there's a lot of standing water there sometimes. Prep the ground, and then we may just decide that we want to build it ourselves after this is all done. 892 01:51:57.590 --> 01:52:02.069 Oscar Ramos: So we're trying to incorporate that, where it's… it is the entire design. 893 01:52:02.080 --> 01:52:08.200 Oscar Ramos: So that we have it, but then we're gonna build out those… those… Those core parts first. 894 01:52:10.030 --> 01:52:17.439 John Compton: When you say build-out, I mean, you're talking everything that's needed For that facility to be… 895 01:52:18.360 --> 01:52:28.039 John Compton: built on. In other words, on the ground bread. If there's any removal that needs to be done, it's going to be removed, and equipment be installed. 896 01:52:28.140 --> 01:52:37.939 John Compton: And inspected… I mean, you did that. You know, I think everybody recognizes that you guys did a great job putting a lot of information together in your RFP. 897 01:52:37.940 --> 01:52:48.550 John Compton: But then, like… like Peter was saying, there's maybe too much. And it's kind of confusing when you read that. And then, now you're saying design, build, that's what kind of… 898 01:52:48.750 --> 01:52:58.739 John Compton: It has me scratching my head also. What is it that… so, it looks like, like, 1, 2, 3, 4. You've got Zone 1, 4, 5, and 6. You're gonna get 899 01:52:59.560 --> 01:53:08.099 John Compton: you know, 4 different prices. It sounds like one maybe for the design, and 4 separate prices for these different zones that you're focused on? 900 01:53:08.520 --> 01:53:27.850 Oscar Ramos: Well, the design is going to be a line item, so, you know, if we're estimating 10% of the budget would be the design, you know, more or less, and then, okay, and they're going to say, well, you want a large piece in Zone 1. This is a structure that we think can go there, and that's… and then this is what that structure costs. 901 01:53:28.210 --> 01:53:30.030 Oscar Ramos: you want to have an ADA path. 902 01:53:30.860 --> 01:53:41.449 Oscar Ramos: here's the materials for an ADA path, and here's how much we think that's going to cost. You know, you want to have a small fort, you know, to replace the one that's, you know, that's there right now. Here's what that costs. 903 01:53:43.390 --> 01:53:58.469 John Compton: I have a quick… I'm real ignorant of all this. Real quick question. You… two of you have made a recommendation for them to consult about with the RFP. Can you advise them about how they do that, and where they get a good consultant to get this process moving? 904 01:53:59.880 --> 01:54:15.640 John Compton: We already kind of said when they should hire a consultant. No, no, I mean, but do you have any recommendations? No, they were… they were… they've been dealing with this, so I think they would be able to… I mean, we… Oscar, do you feel like you have access to a consultant to look at the RFP? 905 01:54:15.640 --> 01:54:21.749 Oscar Ramos: Not right now. I mean, the only people we've spoken to are people that would be bidders, and I'm assuming that you wouldn't want to consult with a potential bidder. 906 01:54:21.750 --> 01:54:26.540 John Compton: Alright, so the question I have is, how do they find a really good consultant to look at this? 907 01:54:26.540 --> 01:54:41.999 Oscar Ramos: You know, actually, we have… we have a contact that Peggy gave us with, Montgomery Parks, and he, he was, he was… the contact at Montgomery Parks was the person who introduced me to, one of the people that was in… the design-only. 908 01:54:42.460 --> 01:54:49.780 Oscar Ramos: big example was a contact, from Montgomery Parks. We could probably talk to a Montgomery Parks guy and have him either 909 01:54:49.900 --> 01:54:53.330 Oscar Ramos: Refers to a consultant, or have him give us that input himself. 910 01:54:55.000 --> 01:55:09.299 John Compton: Yeah. Let me ask a question along those lines. When you came… when you first broached the idea of site design, you mentioned, I don't know whether it was a woman or it was some outfit. 911 01:55:09.410 --> 01:55:13.210 John Compton: that, provided consultation. 912 01:55:13.980 --> 01:55:19.539 John Compton: And you, you, you mentioned hiring her, was it a her? I don't ever follow her. 913 01:55:19.540 --> 01:55:21.220 Oscar Ramos: I think… 914 01:55:21.860 --> 01:55:25.400 John Compton: To advise on this exact thing. 915 01:55:25.560 --> 01:55:27.790 John Compton: Here's our site. 916 01:55:28.010 --> 01:55:33.490 John Compton: You know, how can we go about… Turning it into our vision. 917 01:55:33.490 --> 01:55:38.530 Oscar Ramos: Yes, okay. That is before we knew about the grant. 918 01:55:38.610 --> 01:55:40.930 Oscar Ramos: And… 919 01:55:40.970 --> 01:56:02.190 Oscar Ramos: that's actually the DC firm who would be a bidder now. So that… that was someone who we had spoken to early on the process, before we knew about the grant, where we were going to be working on the $30,000 of just town funds, and she said, well, you know, I can give you some consultation services on that. But now… now that we have the grant, and we're considering, you know, the full 920 01:56:02.490 --> 01:56:07.059 Oscar Ramos: project. That firm is a firm that would be bidding on it. 921 01:56:07.800 --> 01:56:20.730 John Compton: I don't… I don't see why there's a hesitation to use someone as a consultant, paid consultant. This isn't just somebody who's going to, you know, give you a good deal on a contract. 922 01:56:21.030 --> 01:56:31.079 John Compton: But actually, to advise… Exactly what, what, what the concern is, exactly, how the site… 923 01:56:31.890 --> 01:56:46.660 John Compton: needs to be, options. It's not gonna tell us, but here's what you can do with this side, with your plan, the comprehensive plan, to, to make it a great facility, and… 924 01:56:47.620 --> 01:56:50.230 John Compton: Part of that is, okay. 925 01:56:50.420 --> 01:56:58.889 John Compton: You know, you can have somebody… you can have someone, some outfit, maybe it's their outfit, but some outfit. 926 01:56:59.060 --> 01:57:02.009 John Compton: You know, do all of the site planning. 927 01:57:02.510 --> 01:57:06.120 John Compton: for future… equipment. 928 01:57:06.320 --> 01:57:09.540 John Compton: As suggested in the comprehensive plan. 929 01:57:10.190 --> 01:57:18.639 John Compton: And then, either the same firm or another one can execute, or, and this is where another 930 01:57:18.850 --> 01:57:25.140 John Compton: question I have, or the playground committee itself can execute an installation. 931 01:57:25.740 --> 01:57:27.800 John Compton: Alright? I mean, it doesn't… you don't… 932 01:57:28.100 --> 01:57:33.710 John Compton: While it might be easier if you're doing sequential build out. 933 01:57:34.360 --> 01:57:50.089 John Compton: you know, installing, having a great piece of equipment put in by the vendor is exactly what you're going to do, no matter what. The only question is, who manages that purchase? Doesn't have to be a contractor, it could be a town resident, it could be anybody from the program committee. 934 01:57:50.100 --> 01:57:51.300 Oscar Ramos: The only thing with… 935 01:57:51.300 --> 01:57:55.120 John Compton: I'm not saying to… I'm just saying that's another obvious how. 936 01:57:55.120 --> 01:57:56.110 Oscar Ramos: Yeah, I am. 937 01:57:56.110 --> 01:57:59.849 John Compton: But what you need… Yeah. What the kinds of bleed you need… 938 01:57:59.850 --> 01:58:08.860 Oscar Ramos: But that's… that's a point, actually, I want to kind of focus on that point a little bit really fast. So, John, so that was something I wanted to come back to as well, because, like. 939 01:58:08.970 --> 01:58:13.669 Oscar Ramos: I think a stumbling block for me with the design bid is… 940 01:58:13.870 --> 01:58:16.550 Oscar Ramos: Okay, so if we get a design. 941 01:58:16.860 --> 01:58:26.570 Oscar Ramos: that design, we'd want the site plan that has the specific location for equipment, like, that's what the design itself is. And so. 942 01:58:26.730 --> 01:58:35.490 Oscar Ramos: Wouldn't a design that has the specific equipment… they've read our plan, and they're saying, okay, well, this is the equipment that we recommend to go here. 943 01:58:37.010 --> 01:58:47.019 Oscar Ramos: that takes away… wouldn't that take away the… the discretion that we have to then pick the equipment? They're kind of picking equipment and giving us a plan with all the measurements of where it goes. 944 01:58:47.300 --> 01:58:52.880 John Compton: So, let me… let me just… let me speak to that. So, I don't… I don't think the design 945 01:58:53.040 --> 01:59:02.500 John Compton: of the playground has to specify exact equipment. It can specify types of equipment. It can specify the size that goes there. 946 01:59:02.750 --> 01:59:11.110 John Compton: So, it could… it could… it could reference multiple options for a single area at different price points. 947 01:59:11.110 --> 01:59:12.830 Oscar Ramos: Didn't we… didn't we do that already? 948 01:59:13.270 --> 01:59:14.290 John Compton: What? 949 01:59:14.290 --> 01:59:19.200 Oscar Ramos: I feel like that's what the comprehensive plan was. We had, like, Zone 1. 950 01:59:19.200 --> 01:59:29.129 John Compton: Not at all. It's your vision, and, you know, let me just back up to what we talked about back in April, when you wanted to buy the train. 951 01:59:29.130 --> 01:59:29.530 Oscar Ramos: Yeah. 952 01:59:29.530 --> 01:59:48.610 John Compton: But our concern was, you're just gonna go put the train in, and not knowing where it fits in with the rest of the design. Yeah. And we said, get a… get a… let's get an RFP to get a designer in here, and design a playground, and show us where the things would go, what types of equipment could go. 953 01:59:48.990 --> 02:00:04.449 John Compton: and what the landscaping is going to be, where the benches are gonna go, where your path's gonna go, all that stuff. And it gives you a framework and a guideline for implementation, and you can decide. I've got a whole plan now. 954 02:00:05.000 --> 02:00:19.759 John Compton: I… you guys just want to prioritize certain sections? Prioritize those sections for the first build-out. You've got the plan, you can put them in at any time. I mean, you could get the plan, and you could start construction the next week if you had some things that could go in there. 955 02:00:19.760 --> 02:00:39.330 Oscar Ramos: Yeah, but the plan is selecting equipment, but the plan is selecting equipment to go certain places, because that was… that was the… the need, right? We… we couldn't just buy the train, because we need to know exactly where it goes. So if you get a design, that plan's going to have equipment built in, because that's what… that's… that's what we're asking for in the design, is which equipment that goes in… in which place. 956 02:00:39.330 --> 02:00:45.309 John Compton: Oscar, Oscar, as Nick was just asking. So, we're saying, hire a consultant, right? 957 02:00:46.000 --> 02:00:55.259 John Compton: All these questions you're throwing out here, just work with the consultant, and that person will show you how to proceed the way you want to proceed. 958 02:00:55.340 --> 02:01:11.849 John Compton: They'll tell you how to do it exactly what you want. So, you know, and we don't have to have this conversation, because we don't know. The consultant is the expert. The whole secret is finding a good consultant that you're comfortable, and they can guide, and you can make the decision, you know, we should make the decision. 959 02:01:11.960 --> 02:01:14.040 Oscar Ramos: So, okay, I hear you. 960 02:01:14.300 --> 02:01:23.529 Oscar Ramos: I hear you. Here's my question, though. We're gonna look for a consultant, I'm gonna get on that, and we're gonna… and we might even talk to the DC people that helped be a consultant on this. 961 02:01:24.170 --> 02:01:29.180 Oscar Ramos: If it ends up that It's a consultant that can get us to a design build. 962 02:01:30.240 --> 02:01:31.740 Oscar Ramos: Will that be acceptable? 963 02:01:32.770 --> 02:01:39.930 John Compton: I think at that point, you just come to the council and say, we've done this, here's the design bill, we have the consult, and they agree with it, and we say, okay. Yeah. 964 02:01:39.930 --> 02:01:40.270 Oscar Ramos: Okay. 965 02:01:40.270 --> 02:01:45.810 John Compton: Unless we say no. Well, no, I mean, of course the details matter, but… 966 02:01:45.970 --> 02:01:48.180 Oscar Ramos: Of course, the details matter, but… 967 02:01:48.180 --> 02:01:49.010 John Compton: our hope. 968 02:01:49.010 --> 02:01:53.390 Oscar Ramos: Are we discounting a design-build, or are we open to a design-build, if we can get to that? 969 02:01:53.390 --> 02:02:16.799 John Compton: The whole point is to get an RFP that can be bid, and if it's an RFP, if it's a design-build RFP, and that's what the consultant says you should do, then we send out an RFP for design-build. Right. If they say, design first, build later, then go put an RFP for a designer, and get a design. That's what they're saying. 970 02:02:16.800 --> 02:02:18.799 John Compton: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. 971 02:02:18.800 --> 02:02:21.339 John Compton: So, you know, talking about, 972 02:02:21.340 --> 02:02:28.819 John Compton: people to contact, I guess, and just… Bob just crossed my mind, and maybe Meredith, I see that she's on, but… 973 02:02:29.730 --> 02:02:33.090 John Compton: somewhere I heard that, maybe Joe E? 974 02:02:33.330 --> 02:02:34.170 John Compton: had… 975 02:02:34.370 --> 02:02:46.300 John Compton: some kind of experience, or mastered or something in the playground planning, but… Yeah. But if that, you know, I mean, there's got to be somebody in town, is what I'm getting at, that may have a connection 976 02:02:46.820 --> 02:02:48.970 John Compton: with a consultant. 977 02:02:49.390 --> 02:02:50.200 John Compton: Death. 978 02:02:50.470 --> 02:02:52.910 John Compton: We might be able to access. 979 02:02:53.010 --> 02:02:53.820 John Compton: You know? 980 02:02:54.370 --> 02:02:56.909 John Compton: There's a… there's, like, sometimes a… 981 02:02:57.090 --> 02:03:00.449 John Compton: Then it does, it says millions… there's not millions, but there, there are… 982 02:03:00.460 --> 02:03:20.009 John Compton: many, many, many consultants out there, and it's just, I mean, just, if you just went to Google and Googled it, I mean, you can go anywhere. There's an association that, that, you know, you get it from. So, you know, if you need help, I'll help you, I'll help you find it, but I'm sure you'll do it on your own. There's one other thing, though, that people have mentioned, like, and that's maintenance. 983 02:03:20.530 --> 02:03:23.920 John Compton: And they're more like naysayers we've tried to really find the problem with all. 984 02:03:23.920 --> 02:03:24.570 Oscar Ramos: Yep. 985 02:03:24.570 --> 02:03:39.319 John Compton: And so there is, like, a, you know, a concern. We don't have a town maintenance person. And so, you know, we're gonna build this beautiful thing, and then, you know, RJ just does so much. So… 986 02:03:39.420 --> 02:03:45.830 John Compton: I would hope that you're gonna also, like, have some kind of plan for how we're gonna… God. 987 02:03:45.830 --> 02:04:02.959 Oscar Ramos: Yeah, I mean, the example with the train was, you know, we were going to go for the wooden train, but then have the base itself be the poly lumber, to minimize the maintenance area in the places where it's most in contact with standing water. So, we're considering that kind of thing. 988 02:04:03.740 --> 02:04:22.139 Andy Bielen: We've also got an officer on the playground committee who is the maintenance and record officer, which is me. So, I'm responsible for the monthly maintenance checks that Steve used to do, and making sure I communicate with the town maintenance coordinator when there are issues that need to be rectified, as you will know. 989 02:04:22.140 --> 02:04:23.460 John Compton: Let's hit the lead when I get that. 990 02:04:25.050 --> 02:04:26.120 John Compton: Wow, nope! 991 02:04:26.120 --> 02:04:30.049 Andy Bielen: That won't be the first email you get from me, by the way, I am sure. 992 02:04:32.030 --> 02:04:48.980 Oscar Ramos: Okay, well, I mean, it sounds like we have to do our homework and get a consultant and work with them, someone who knows the industry, and have them advise us on the development of an RFP, and if it makes more sense to do the design first, we'll do that. If we can do the design-build, we'll do that. 993 02:04:49.320 --> 02:04:50.590 Oscar Ramos: Can we come back to you? 994 02:04:50.590 --> 02:04:54.390 John Compton: Question is, on the 250, Is there a timeline on that? 995 02:04:54.800 --> 02:04:55.790 Andy Bielen: 2 years. 996 02:04:56.690 --> 02:04:59.600 John Compton: 2 years? Starting when? What did you say? 997 02:04:59.820 --> 02:05:02.570 Andy Bielen: I think it's 2 years, that was our… 998 02:05:02.970 --> 02:05:07.239 Andy Bielen: Jonathan can speak to that, because he's the… the finance guy. 999 02:05:07.470 --> 02:05:13.319 John Compton: I'm pretty sure it's 6 years. Our, our stormwater management, our, 1000 02:05:13.430 --> 02:05:18.790 John Compton: Was 2022, and it goes to 28. 1001 02:05:20.170 --> 02:05:20.840 Kristina Kough: Yeah, I don't… 1002 02:05:21.230 --> 02:05:23.000 John Compton: Long timeline. 1003 02:05:23.000 --> 02:05:26.810 Kristina Kough: Yeah, I have not seen a specific date, so, 1004 02:05:27.520 --> 02:05:37.170 Kristina Kough: I don't think it was 2 years. I think that they prioritized, shovel-ready projects, but that's the most detail that I had seen. 1005 02:05:38.040 --> 02:05:42.790 Andy Bielen: toll list 2 years. Maybe I'm… I'll look it up. Okay, that's fine, we can answer that. 1006 02:05:42.790 --> 02:05:44.220 Oscar Ramos: Our goal is to spend it sooner than later. 1007 02:05:44.220 --> 02:05:53.830 Andy Bielen: We have money, the playground desperately needs a refresh, so we want to use it, you know, as judiciously as possible. 1008 02:05:56.670 --> 02:05:59.120 Oscar Ramos: Thank you, unless there's any other questions? 1009 02:05:59.410 --> 02:06:03.010 John Compton: Thank you, guys. Oh, thanks a lot. Alright, thank you, thank you. 1010 02:06:03.430 --> 02:06:05.000 John Compton: Yeah. Okay. 1011 02:06:05.150 --> 02:06:17.340 John Compton: Alrighty, we'll move on, then to the, the regular business remaining, which is much, the Town's Council report. 1012 02:06:18.200 --> 02:06:20.519 John Compton: The reports were available. 1013 02:06:21.010 --> 02:06:27.200 John Compton: There were a lot of things that went on, many of which we already talked about. 1014 02:06:28.160 --> 02:06:36.110 John Compton: the only two I pulled out were a specific, mention where we… was one of them we ended up putting on the agenda, and I should have 1015 02:06:36.780 --> 02:06:44.610 John Compton: Substituted it, but, it's to, you know, to do what we can, To keep the home. 1016 02:06:45.260 --> 02:06:48.400 John Compton: In as good condition as possible, since it's… 1017 02:06:48.950 --> 02:06:52.810 John Compton: Basically been refurbished to a large extent. 1018 02:06:53.750 --> 02:06:55.749 John Compton: And that was, of course, Chris's. 1019 02:06:56.000 --> 02:07:15.419 John Compton: report. And then Peter's a part about the, bamboo forest removal on, Gerald Avenue. Anybody who's familiar with… I know, it's like a balloons, yeah. Is that the house again. So that, you know, bamboo has a way of, of, 1020 02:07:15.500 --> 02:07:29.170 John Compton: encroaching on everything. It's like, it's… it's… it's worse than mint. It is. We should pull up mint. We really can't do that. That was a huge… that was a good, great effort, and, it was… 1021 02:07:29.670 --> 02:07:37.869 John Compton: either reported by maintenance, but it was forestry meatification. Yeah, it was, it was a lot. Convinced, everyone that… 1022 02:07:38.580 --> 02:07:45.939 John Compton: Good thing to do. Yeah, I went over there, and I have pictures of it. I swear, they had big equipment in there. 1023 02:07:45.940 --> 02:08:03.739 John Compton: You… you would think that you were in the Amazon jungle. Seriously. It was unbelievable once they got into that. How deep did they have to drive? I think 20 feet? I don't know. Even after 3 full days, and believe me, it will be back. It'll be back, yeah. Yeah. 1024 02:08:03.740 --> 02:08:21.549 John Compton: But they, well, they, they, they… They poison it, they, they, at the day, they said dogs, they said… Soil underneath. Yeah, they used… Nothing will grow dirt for a decade. No. RJ did it. Yeah, RJ did it, yeah, it was huge. Yeah, at the day, 1025 02:08:21.650 --> 02:08:24.380 John Compton: This was planned for a long time. 1026 02:08:24.940 --> 02:08:27.399 John Compton: Alright, anybody else have anything that, 1027 02:08:28.200 --> 02:08:33.399 Jean Moyer: I… did… did I miss… did you do a vote on the budget transfer resolution? 1028 02:08:34.740 --> 02:08:35.530 Jean Moyer: Alright. 1029 02:08:35.710 --> 02:08:37.860 John Compton: Took approximately 30 seconds. 1030 02:08:37.860 --> 02:08:38.790 Jean Moyer: I missed it. 1031 02:08:39.110 --> 02:08:41.759 Jean Moyer: Usually these things take forever. Okay. 1032 02:08:41.800 --> 02:08:42.760 John Compton: Thanks, everybody. 1033 02:08:42.760 --> 02:08:43.629 Jean Moyer: Thank you. 1034 02:08:44.020 --> 02:08:45.810 John Compton: Okay, 1035 02:08:46.280 --> 02:08:55.620 John Compton: Okay, if nobody has anything else, then we are… we're gonna wrap things up. The next meeting is July 13th. We will start. 1036 02:08:55.740 --> 02:09:00.180 John Compton: With the, public hearing on the land sale ordinance. 1037 02:09:01.110 --> 02:09:02.570 John Compton: And go on from there. 1038 02:09:04.030 --> 02:09:05.620 John Compton: Looks like we can adjourn. 1039 02:09:05.730 --> 02:09:08.600 John Compton: Go on. 1040 02:09:08.600 --> 02:09:09.839 Barbara: Great, great meeting. 1041 02:09:09.840 --> 02:09:13.949 John Compton: I can wait 4 minutes, and then drill exactly on my instrument. 1042 02:09:14.930 --> 02:09:23.100 John Compton: No, I think, I think you get to bank those ministers. 1043 02:09:23.520 --> 02:09:25.159 John Compton: Alright, thank you. 1044 02:09:25.160 --> 02:09:26.070 Barbara: Good night. 1045 02:09:28.750 --> 02:09:29.910 John Compton: How do you misspender. 1046 02:09:32.130 --> 02:09:35.729 John Compton: Sorry, I need to come up with it. Consolid? 1047 02:09:35.920 --> 02:09:45.120 John Compton: And we're not getting anywhere with them. 1048 02:09:45.230 --> 02:09:49.980 John Compton: All right. 1049 02:09:50.560 --> 02:09:55.789 John Compton: Killers. It was very… I said it was.