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John Compton: Let's see how many people need entertainment tonight.

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Kathy Lehman: I've got a cat in my lap.

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John Compton: Oh, well, you're doing your job, then.

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John Compton: Where are we?

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Kathy Lehman: I'm already yawning, that's not good.

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John Compton: I understand now.

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John Compton: Okay…

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Peter Nagrod: Rob, it's good seeing you. It's been a while.

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Robert Gilmore: Yeah, sorry I wasn't at the last, wasn't able to make the last meeting.

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Peter Nagrod: This is the big one.

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Peter Nagrod: I'm just saying that.

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John Compton: Better not be that big.

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Robert Gilmore: I was gonna say, it's… It really isn't.

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John Compton: We got Audrey…

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John Compton: Mary and Chris.

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John Compton: Writing for him.

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Robert Gilmore: Me and Kathy are the short-timers here.

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John Compton: Here we go.

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Kathy Lehman: What you do?

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John Compton: Audrey's got dog artwork behind her.

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John Compton: Very realistic looking.

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Peter Nagrod: Oh.

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iPad 2 Audrey: That one I no longer have.

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John Compton: Oh, sorry.

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iPad 2 Audrey: It's okay.

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iPad 2 Audrey: Yes.

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Peter Nagrod: Mainly for.

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iPad 2 Audrey: That one's Stephanie.

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John Compton: Hmm.

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John Compton: Stephanie.

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Peter Nagrod: I'm waiting for… I'm waiting for a goat to show up behind Rob.

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John Compton: or goat, right.

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iPad 2 Audrey: Well, no.

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iPad 2 Audrey: The one I've got now is called Warfie.

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Peter Nagrod: Huh.

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John Compton: Wolfie. Stephanie? Al Wolfie.

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iPad 2 Audrey: Yep.

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Jean Moyer: You need some, portraits done, Audrey.

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Kathy Lehman: Get in the line!

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Jean Moyer: Get one, yeah.

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iPad 2 Audrey: See ya. See you.

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iPad 2 Audrey: Oh.

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John Compton: Well, I'll give another couple minutes for Barry to show up.

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Robert Gilmore: Yeah, we… we want… All of the criminal co-conspirators.

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Robert Gilmore: attending the…

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John Compton: Hey, Rob. Yeah.

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Kathy Lehman: Do you have a quarum? I can't tell.

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Robert Gilmore: Do I have a what?

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Kathy Lehman: Quorum.

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John Compton: Yeah, we have a quorum.

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Peter Nagrod: I just sent Mary a text.

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Peter Nagrod: Just in case.

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John Compton: There… there she is.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay.

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John Compton: Alright.

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John Compton: Alright, everyone.

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Peter Nagrod: Google, Google.

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John Compton: A lot of, lot of,

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John Compton: A lot of attendees here, lining up.

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Kathy Lehman: Oh, no.

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John Compton: Alright, let's, call the,

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John Compton: Council meeting and budget work session to order.

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John Compton: As usual, we have an agenda. I apologize.

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John Compton: For making an egregious error on this agenda.

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John Compton: I mistakenly included public appearances. We… We,

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John Compton: need to focus on the budget and a few other items we have, so I think public appearances, this is a

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John Compton: Extra council meeting, the public appearances,

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John Compton: can be, can be eliminated, so I'm proposing to eliminate them.

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John Compton: Also, I added down here an appointment to the playground committee.

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John Compton: I'm not showing… am I showing the right? What the heck is showing?

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John Compton: I don't usually show it this way, sorry.

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John Compton: Let's try that again.

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John Compton: Boom. Boom.

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John Compton: There.

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Peter Nagrod: No more, no more.

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John Compton: Okay.

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John Compton: So, can I have a motion to approve the agenda, and then we can discuss it, if there is any discussion?

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John Compton: Anyone?

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Peter Nagrod: Motion to approve the agenda.

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John Porter: John Porter, I'll second that.

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John Compton: John Porter seconded.

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John Compton: Alright, any comments then on the agenda?

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John Compton: Corrections? Not… Sorry?

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Barbara: This is Barbara. I do have a comment.

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John Compton: Yes.

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Barbara: I object to the removal of public appearances.

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Barbara: Why would we want to not allow the public to comment?

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Barbara: on the budget. Or any other matter that Is there be?

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John Compton: This is a council work session about… on the budget, where we…

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John Compton: where I assume the Council will have a fair amount…

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John Compton: for things to say, the April Council meeting is wide open for public comment, on the budget after it's,

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John Compton: After, after tonight,

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John Compton: That's reason number one, is April's really where we're at after the Council makes its adjustments. Secondly,

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John Compton: You know, the… given the… the public… comment.

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John Compton: comments that are going around, I really didn't want to expose the Council to

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John Compton: You know, a lot of comment on things that aren't on the agenda, and that… would if… if…

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John Compton: If added, would… Extend the meeting.

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John Compton: And detract from the main business of the budget work session.

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John Compton: That said, if the council wants to have public appearances, obviously, It's…

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John Compton: can certainly do public appearances. It's just my… my opinion, so…

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Barbara: I think it's inappropriate for us to eliminate public appearances. There may be people who are on this meeting tonight who came specifically for that purpose, but even if they didn't, it's their right to speak up for their 3 minutes during our meetings.

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Robert Gilmore: To the extent that's a motion to amend, I second it.

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John Compton: Anybody else have any comments?

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John Compton: On the proposal to, have public appearances tonight?

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John Compton: If not, then we'll move to vote on the altered agenda.

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Barbara: Wait, what altered agenda? We… What do you… I'm… I'm…

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Robert Gilmore: I think we need to vote on the motion to amend the agenda. Yes, no, no, the agenda…

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Barbara: is right here. John is proposing to amend it.

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Barbara: Is that what you're referring to?

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John Compton: No, this is the one I'm… so I proposed the agenda. It was moved and seconded to introduce it.

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John Compton: And now you're altering it. That's fine, you can alter it, so we just need some agreement to alter it.

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Robert Gilmore: I see. I think… Barbara's point is the agenda that was circulated to the town

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Robert Gilmore: Had public appearances, and then we started the meeting with a… revised agenda.

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John Porter: Yeah, I think that was… that's my point.

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John Compton: Yes, that happens all the time.

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Robert Gilmore: It does happen all the time.

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John Compton: The agenda is subject to change at any time before or during the council meeting.

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John Compton: That's always been the case.

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John Compton: Do you see that? Yes.

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Robert Gilmore: Let's vote on the… unless there's debate, if there's no debate, let's vote on the… Yeah, that's true.

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John Compton: That's all we're doing.

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Robert Gilmore: Restore the public appearances to the town council meeting tonight?

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John Compton: Okay, all in favor?

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Kathy Lehman: Who did that?

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John Compton: no, Barbara?

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Kathy Lehman: Was it John or Rob?

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John Compton: Barbara moved to include public appearances. Rob seconded. There was no further discussion.

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John Compton: The vote, I saw 5 in favor. Opposed?

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John Compton: Any abstentions?

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John Compton: Boom. Okay, is that an absention, Chris?

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Kriss Grisham: Yes.

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John Compton: Okay, so there's the vote. Okay, it's back on the agenda. Fine.

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John Compton: All right.

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John Compton: Any other comments on the agenda?

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Peter Nagrod: Just… just… why do we have to spend 10 minutes talking about the, about the hole? Can't… can't we do that in 5 or less?

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Peter Nagrod: I mean, if we have… if there's something happening that we need to do, that's fine, but it seems like it would just be…

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John Compton: These are only estimates, it could take.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay, okay. Yeah.

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John Compton: Peter, it's just, you know, I don't know what questions you're going to.

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Peter Nagrod: The whole go, we could be looking at pictures and doing all kinds of stuff, and I would prefer to spend.

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John Compton: I don't have any pictures indicated, so as far as I know, there's nothing to shout in this one.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay, thank you.

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John Compton: Just hint.

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Peter Nagrod: Just hinting at moving faster on these things, okay.

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John Compton: Okay, now these times are just guesstimates, you know.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay.

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John Compton: Okay, no other comments on the agenda. We can get moving. All in favor of this, the agenda now as, as, restored with that amendment.

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John Compton: Vote, please.

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John Compton: Okay, that's 6-0. We have approved the agenda.

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John Compton: February 9th minutes.

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John Compton: Alright, I need a motion to approve the minutes of February 9th.

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John Compton: Which I can show, but…

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Peter Nagrod: Motion to approve, since somebody else is moving.

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John Compton: Nobody's speaking up.

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Peter Nagrod: either. Mary?

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marywarfield: It's Mary 2nd.

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John Compton: 30 seconds. Okay, do I have any comments, about the minutes for… February 9th.

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Peter Nagrod: There's one typo somewhere in here, where somebody's spelled twice.

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John Compton: Well…

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Peter Nagrod: Let's something.

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John Compton: It's a repeated word?

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah, just Leo, just look… just do a check later on.

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John Compton: I always do a check before I send it. Totally. It doesn't matter, I'll mark it.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah.

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John Compton: It's not seeing anything on my document, but maybe it's there anyway. Okay, let me know if it's just a typo, we don't need to worry about it.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah, exactly.

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John Compton: Okay.

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John Compton: All right, if there are no comments, then all in favor of approving the February 9th minutes.

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John Compton: At 6-0, minutes are approved. You.

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John Compton: Okay, somewhere I have the actual agenda. Did I… I just close the agenda?

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John Compton: Duke.

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John Compton: There it is.

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John Compton: Okay, then, we're on to public appearances.

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John Compton: Went here to address the Council.

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John Compton: On any matter whatsoever.

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John Compton: Okay, not seeing anybody here on a public appearance.

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John Compton: We're… we're… we'll close public appearances, and…

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John Compton: continue with the agenda. The mayor's report. You'll note that that's pretty truncated. I felt I did have to,

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John Compton: report at a council meeting. They,

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John Compton: the meeting that the Town Safety Advisory Group, which we, ad hoc put together, at the last council meeting.

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John Compton: I met with, Melanie Romano, Officer Romano.

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John Compton: At the 6th District Headquarters, and, she provided us the updates on the vehicle vandalism and thefts, and on the indecent exposure

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John Compton: incidents, I sent out a Grove update with all of that information.

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John Compton: So, just wanted to report that that was done. The… recommended act… actions,

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John Compton: are, you know, the possible, responses of the town, were reviewed. They're largely what was suggested, by a variety of people. But the one major thing was that she is quite willing to,

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John Compton: conduct a meeting for the town where Sheika will discuss any issues that town residents have, and in particular, you know, this sort of, this sort of vandalism that, occurred a couple… a few weeks ago.

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John Compton: So that can be scheduled,

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John Compton: as quickly as we can find a time. I think she would prefer it to be by Zoom, but if

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John Compton: The Council feels that it would be better to do it in person, and we'll have to wait till the hall is back in order for sure.

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John Compton: And, and find a, a time to do an in-person meeting with Officer Romano.

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John Compton: All right, the rest of my report, I decided to just say any questions from the Council about any matters since two weeks ago's…

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Peter Nagrod: Gotcha.

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John Compton: Ready?

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John Compton: I mean, there are things happening in the legislature, obviously. We've… I can say one more thing. We have been asked

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John Compton: to consider passing a resolution supporting House Bill 1142,

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John Compton: That is the one… that's getting favorable treatment by the committees. That's the, that's the bill that,

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John Compton: has the state, I'm creating a task force to examine sort… To… to modernize

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John Compton: Municipal revenue, sources.

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John Compton: The, right now, as you know, we… revenue for us, and as well as all other municipalities, comes from property taxes. And we… the state does a little income tax sharing.

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John Compton: But…

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John Compton: We don't have any other options, especially those municipalities with business districts, for, for increasing revenue, which differs from most other states in the country. So, the Maryland Municipal League.

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John Compton: Acting on behalf of, a lot of municipalities, has tried… is requested and got introduced this bill to create a task force for the state to examine, how to,

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John Compton: basically expand, revenue sources beyond the property tax, which

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John Compton: Everybody knows is a burden on property owners, and, you know, without any other options, municipalities have to use the property tax to raise

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John Compton: So, they asked for us to do a resolution. I actually didn't get it together. They provided a template.

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John Compton: Which, just as a bunch of warehouses and support, I can…

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John Compton: I could show it if you wanted toward the end, maybe at the end of the meeting might be a good time to do it.

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John Compton: It basically just says, go ahead and do it,

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John Compton: And, distribute, this resolution to, some key people, to ensure they know.

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John Compton: that Washington Grove, as well as many others, I think they have letter resolutions from up to almost 40 municipalities in support of this. To tell you the truth, unless the,

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John Compton: Unless the governor vetoes it, I think it's pretty much a shoe-in.

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John Compton: But, you never know.

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John Compton: Okay.

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John Compton: So I added that one more item.

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John Compton: Any questions, then?

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John Compton: on anything else?

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John Compton: All right, good. That case, we'll move on to the administrative matters.

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John Compton: the 10-minute, report on the Hall sprinkler system, Chris.

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Kriss Grisham: Hopefully it won't be 10 minutes.

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Kriss Grisham: We actually started last Wednesday installing a large pipe, and pretty much all of that has been installed. Now we're finishing up with, I guess, the smaller pipe, the branches that come off.

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Kriss Grisham: And, sprinkler heads, there's uprights, and I think most of those are put in, if not all, today. But we're waiting for, the pendants. They're dry pendants. And, and they have to be special ordered, so,

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Kriss Grisham: You know, we're, we're, we had to make sure that the permit was approved.

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Kriss Grisham: And the design was approved before they went ahead and placed the order for these pendants.

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Kriss Grisham: So, you know, it could be a week, it could be two weeks.

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Kriss Grisham: that, Chesapeake would be in there.

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Kriss Grisham: Trying to, finish up their work.

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Peter Nagrod: So you pass the pressure test?

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Kriss Grisham: Pardon me?

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Peter Nagrod: You passed the pressure test?

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Kriss Grisham: What pressure time?

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Peter Nagrod: Wasn't that the issue, that you had to do a pressure test?

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Kriss Grisham: No, so, so, and to get the, the…

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Kriss Grisham: the permit approved, we had to do what's called a flow test, and so it's the… it's the gallons per minute discharge, and at what pressure. So we originally did it from Grove Ave and another point down in the circle, and… and we failed.

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Kriss Grisham: After 2 weeks, it's interesting they didn't tell us earlier.

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Kriss Grisham: The, fire.

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Kriss Grisham: permit reviewer. He wanted it done in, the pump room.

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Kriss Grisham: So they had to come out and do it again.

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Peter Nagrod: And you passed.

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Kriss Grisham: And yeah, apparently the numbers were different, but the system as it was designed didn't require any changes.

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John Compton: So, the nitrogen system has to also be installed, right? That's coming.

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Kriss Grisham: Yes, yeah, we… so… We have a square box…

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Kriss Grisham: Sitting in the… in the hall, in the Catherine Hall. They delivered it yesterday, and you know, I was talking to Steve today, and we're gonna go take a look at it, open up the box, take measurements, and figure out where might be a good place

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Kriss Grisham: To hang it on the wall down in the pump room.

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Kriss Grisham: But… You know, that's about as far as we've gotten on that.

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John Compton: So the real $64,000 question is, will we be able to restore enough of the hall for an event on… which is now on the 25th?

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John Compton: of… April.

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Kriss Grisham: Okay, yeah, we're… you know, nothing is guaranteed, but we're definitely shooting to try to do that.

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Kriss Grisham: Steve has a lot of strategies in mind. Well, in fact, you know, something I could add to this is, we had already gone out and purchased,

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Kriss Grisham: lumber for the ceiling replacement in the old council room, and Steve also picked up

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Kriss Grisham: Stain that's similar in color.

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Kriss Grisham: And… and we're prepping that wood to kind of get it ready, so,

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Kriss Grisham: trying to get ahead of the game for the restoration process. And… what else?

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Kriss Grisham: I can't think of too much more that, you know… there's a lot of planning going on, trying to get… so the other thing that Steve is talking about is, is,

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Kriss Grisham: We've got all the, the pieces of the whole…

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Kriss Grisham: ceiling that we took out, bundled up and stuck into the pod that's right outside the home, McCatherine Hall.

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Kriss Grisham: Whenever we can access that hall, we're going to move all of that

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Kriss Grisham: back into the hall and stage it in there, for two reasons. One is we could lay it out and then see how it should go back up, and the second reason is to get rid of that pod

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Kriss Grisham: In case we need that space outside for… for an event.

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Kriss Grisham: That's all I have. Any questions?

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John Compton: Thank you, yeah.

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Kriss Grisham: No?

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John Compton: Questions? Okay.

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Kriss Grisham: Thank you.

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Peter Nagrod: Miss.

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John Compton: All right, the next item is, Hiring the Next Town Clerk.

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John Compton: I'm gonna let Barbara… lead this, the group of us who put… where we are is we have

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John Compton: Completed a job description.

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John Compton: And we're come to the council, and you have it in the materials. Actually, the whole town can look at the job description and the skills required, which we are ready to, so we're ready to, do some,

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John Compton: Yeah.

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John Compton: Announce the jobs available, and… That sort of thing, using this document. So, Barbara?

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Barbara: Well, that's kind of the bottom line.

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Barbara: Peter and Mary and John and Jean have… we've been meeting for… we've had, what, 4 or 5 meetings to hammer this out, and we've actually changed the title to Town Manager, and we've beefed it up a little and included a line about being responsible for programs and being responsible to ensure that our programs and

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Barbara: services, conform to state and local laws, as well as some of the more like, everyday…

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Barbara: responsibilities that we all know the town clerk does, you know, dealing with residents and

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Barbara: overseeing the trash contracts and things like that. So, we're pretty satisfied with this description as it is, and, I mean, I think we're ready to go and start advertising it. I think that there are a few really targeted places to put it, like the International City Managers Association.

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Barbara: And another one is National Association of Counties, so that would really hone in on the kinds of people that we're looking for and the kinds of skills we want to get for this position.

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John Compton: Right.

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Barbara: Questions?

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Peter Nagrod: So, so we were looking at 3 different names, so are we gonna go with manager?

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Barbara: Well, that's what we… Yeah, that's what we…

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John Compton: And for lack of anything, any other…

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John Compton: You know, feeling of, you know, preference, or…

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Peter Nagrod: That was our consensus, was managers. I just wanted to make sure that we were… the whole council's doing.

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John Compton: Yes, so…

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Peter Nagrod: And John, you're here, yeah.

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Peter Nagrod: So you're good with it, too? Okay.

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John Compton: Right, so just…

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John Compton: Just, you know, maybe a minor amount of… no discussion, just an explanation. So, just like the word town clerk, the position of town clerk.

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John Compton: It, you know, the standard… connotation of clerk, as it's been through, you know, historically.

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John Compton: Is, you know, it's someone who sits at a desk and, you know, works with some, some, very narrowly defined, part of the, of the, of, of duties, and handles paperwork.

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Peter Nagrod: Nice.

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John Compton: Well, of course, our town clerk has never been that narrow. In fact, our town clerk has been rather broad.

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John Compton: And the, the, this responsibilities, wish list, I mean, or not wish list, the specifications, is even broader.

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John Compton: So, the clerk… You know, can have that sort of broad

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John Compton: meaning. On the other hand, the suggestion that we change to manager

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John Compton: You know, in some ways, suggests a more elevated function.

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John Compton: And so, just like the clerk, a town manager is a spectrum of potential responsibilities. Some town managers have the function of financial officer, they do…

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John Compton: HR, they do… they just run the gamut. They're the operating officer for the town.

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John Compton: That's not entirely what this manager means, but it does mean a… does encompass a good deal.

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John Compton: So, managers seems to be the preferred one.

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John Compton: Other options.

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Kriss Grisham: I do have a question. Is there a timeline for this?

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Kriss Grisham: To get it posted and try to get somebody hired and brought in.

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John Compton: Well, Kathy has submitted her resignation as of June 30th, so the answer is yes. Okay. We would like to have some overlap.

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John Compton: Preferably before June 30th. Kathy has indicated she's certainly interested in extending beyond, if that will be helpful for the new person, so we have that option as well.

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John Compton: But, so the timeline is we'll get it out, and we'll see, you know, what sort of response we get, and, you know, maybe it'll be faster, and maybe it'll be slower, we don't know.

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Kriss Grisham: Okay, thank you.

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John Compton: All right.

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John Compton: Well, in the absence of any other questions, then we're going to assume the Council's fine with this, and we're going to use this job description. There was also a document showing the, the advertising, you know, we put together an advertisement for the position.

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John Compton: Not that anybody has to approve that, but that's what we'll be using.

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Peter Nagrod: Mmm, of course.

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marywarfield: Just to know the, link that's in the, that goes to the description still calls it a town clerk, so we just have to change that.

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John Compton: Oh, it says to the town, yeah.

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John Compton: Manager, right.

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John Compton: Okay, next item on the agenda, second… Rid of this…

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John Compton: is, is an appointment to the playground committee. Jane Klinger,

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John Compton: Well, determined that she couldn't devote enough time to the playground committee, so she, was resigned, was one of the eight members.

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John Compton: the playground, committee, considered who might be an appropriate replacement, and, they spoke with Laurel Goldberg.

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John Compton: about joining the Playground Committee. I've spoken with Laurel, and, she's…

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John Compton: already familiar with the playground, master plan and what's been going on, so she's a very appropriate replacement for Jane. So, I'm proposing to appoint Laurel Gorbler to the playground committee, and I need counsel.

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John Compton: Agreement.

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John Compton: Questions?

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marywarfield: You need it.

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Peter Nagrod: We have a question. We have a… we have a… you appointed a leader, like.

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Peter Nagrod: You can help me with this, but I, like, there was a leadership group of, like, 4 people. I know, like, Andy, John, no?

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John Compton: I mean, yeah, there may be. I didn't… we didn't appoint a leadership group. We appointed a committee.

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Peter Nagrod: a committee of 4 people, and I thought then you said other people could participate.

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John Compton: No, it was 8 people. It was 8 pieces.

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Peter Nagrod: It's not a committee.

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John Compton: That's what we're calling it, the playground committee. It's in the resolution. We called it a playground committee.

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Peter Nagrod: I thought you wanted to call it a… something… it was… we were…

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Peter Nagrod: I'm not gonna prolong this, I'll trust you, but that's not the way… this was gonna be something special. This wasn't gonna be a regular Grove committee.

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John Compton: No, it's a different sort of committee, that's true. It's a council-mandated committee with council-mandated responsibilities.

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Peter Nagrod: No, every person on there needs to be approved.

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John Compton: Correct. The voting members of the committee, that's how this committee works.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay.

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John Compton: They were encouraged to recruit as many other people as they want, to give them advice, to help with work, whatever.

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Peter Nagrod: Right, right.

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John Compton: Yeah.

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Peter Nagrod: So there's, like, what, how many people are on this, like, 5 people now? There's 8.

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John Compton: 8.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay, okay.

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Peter Nagrod: On the committee, okay.

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John Compton: Laurel, 7, Laurel will be 8… make it 80.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay, I got it, I got it, okay, I'm ready to vote.

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John Compton: Just trying to keep up with that. We'll have an appointment or two to our regular commissions

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John Compton: in April or in May, so… .

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marywarfield: Alright.

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John Compton: Well, that's good, it clarifies that. Any other…

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John Compton: And I'll say, okay, we'll move to a vote, to, approve by appointment. All in favor?

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John Compton: Alright, unanimous thanks.

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John Compton: Laurel is on.

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John Compton: Okay, the next item is the 2026 Annual Town Election and Town Meeting, which is May 9th.

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John Compton: You will recall that we altered the town charter last… May.

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John Compton: to allow… Not to allow, to,

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John Compton: Give the council responsibility for setting the time of both of those, the election and the

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John Compton: town meeting on the second Monday of May. So rather than… we took away the specified times. So here we are, we need to set this year's election window

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John Compton: and town meeting window. And you'll recall the rationale for all of that was because there was thinking that having the town meeting during the afternoon would be preferable to having it in the evening.

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John Compton: Shop.

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John Compton: I would propose that we set the election for…

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John Compton: you know, well, where are we? So, normally, the election runs from 4

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John Compton: I'm gonna say 4 to 6.

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Kathy Lehman: 7.

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John Compton: 4 to 7, and there's an hour break, so that the Board of Supervisors Relations can count the ballots, and in time to report them at the…

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John Compton: At the town meeting. So, we need an hour gap, we can have the annual town meeting, and we need a 3-hour window for the election to keep… be consistent.

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John Compton: So we could do the election from 10 to 1.

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John Compton: and have the town meeting at 2, or any… any other time in the afternoon. I think…

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John Compton: I would suggest that the election run 10, 10 to 1.

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John Compton: And the town meeting can start at 3, which gives us, you know, if it was a 3-hour meeting, heaven forbid, but it could be, easily.

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John Compton: That would allow it to go to 6, and that's still fairly early.

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John Compton: Or it could just start at 2 and run 3 hours to 5.

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John Compton: Or longer.

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John Compton: What?

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Barbara: I move that it's… it goes from the election from 10 to 1, and then the meeting from 2 to…

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Barbara: Due to completion.

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Kathy Lehman: Say the meeting again, please.

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Kathy Lehman: I couldn't hear it.

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Barbara: Starting at 2 until completion.

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Kathy Lehman: Thank you.

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marywarfield: This is Mary, I second that.

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John Compton: Any comments, or…

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John Compton: Contrary opinions for that?

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John Compton: All right, all… we'll move to a vote, then. All in favor of setting, the election for May 9th, 10 o'clock to 1 p.m, and then the town meeting starting at 2. All in favor?

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John Compton: All right, no opposed, because there's nobody left to vote.

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John Compton: Thank you.

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John Compton: All right, now we get to the main business for tonight, which is the Town Council budget.

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John Compton: which I'm going to let our treasurer

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John Compton: take us through, so I need to give you the ol', sharing…

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Jean Moyer: Yeah, the budget I have, John, is the one I sent to you in Excel. I don't have the PDF that you put together.

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John Compton: No, I didn't want to show the PDF. I think you… you want to show the Excel? I can show it, or you can show it.

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Jean Moyer: You can show, and I have… I have up, and just so people know, any late incoming tweaks, changes, requests that didn't get in will be…

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Jean Moyer: Brought up tonight.

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John Compton: Exactly.

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Jean Moyer: So, if what you see is not what you thought you would see, that is why.

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Jean Moyer: This is why we have this meeting, is so we can…

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Jean Moyer: Go through it, and make any changes.

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John Compton: Yeah.

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John Compton: I don't know.

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Jean Moyer: you might need to make that bigger for some folks. I don't need it, because I have my own copy up, but other people might want it larger.

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Peter Nagrod: It's good.

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Jean Moyer: So,

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Jean Moyer: Yeah, you want to get past that grade part, just so folks know, all that grade part is nothing but formulas.

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Jean Moyer: That roll up all the detail, and the detail is where we make the changes, so everything

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Jean Moyer: flows upwards. So if you get below that dark black

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Jean Moyer: section there. So, in the income, kind of to refresh what John said, our income's pretty static.

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Jean Moyer: We have property tax, dwelling tax, which is our refuge,

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Jean Moyer: And the… I'm talking about the larger items. Income tax, we do get a portion, an allocation of, folks' income tax. And, then the highway… highway user revenue, we get a portion of that.

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Jean Moyer: And then,

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Jean Moyer: the county municipal tax duplication, which I have… I struggle all the time to explain, but basically because

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Jean Moyer: We cover certain things that, other folks in the county don't cover, so we're spending extra money for that. We are given…

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Jean Moyer: I guess you could call it a rebate. It's money to help, pay us back for, items that

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Jean Moyer: we shell out. So those are our big ticket items. As you can imagine, they're a little difficult to forecast. It's like a crystal ball. Try and figure out who's gonna pay what income tax in 2027.

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Jean Moyer: So, but we have… Historic…

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Jean Moyer: ways about going about that, and with the property tax, we…

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Jean Moyer: We are told by the county what we should expect to, charge in terms of a rate.

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Jean Moyer: And we do need to approve these rates. So, what is up here in the income detail, the property tax, because assessments are going up every year.

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Jean Moyer: The property taxes aimed to give us kind of a constant stream of revenue.

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Jean Moyer: And if you think of mathematical equations as the base goes up.

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Jean Moyer: to have the same end result, the rate against that base goes down. And as long as I've been treasurer every year, the rate that we are recommended by the county, decreases. That isn't to say we couldn't change that if we wanted to.

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Jean Moyer: But what's reflected here is a decrease from

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Jean Moyer: 0.2270 to .2214 per $100 assessed valuation. All of this comes to me from the county, and I just go with that.

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Jean Moyer: The dwelling tax that's on here is really, a reflection of what we pay to Casella for our trash and recycling pickup. What we do is,

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Jean Moyer: Calculate per, kind of, pickup address, how much, that

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Jean Moyer: total bill to Casella for the next year equates to, and that rate is communicated to the county. You will see that, actually, on your property tax bill. I've double-checked it myself, and it does actually show up the way it's supposed to.

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Jean Moyer: The commercial corner, we now, include in the contract with Casella that they will pick up. It's the equivalent of 6, units, being picked up. They are invoiced that amount, that you see there, the $12.74.

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Jean Moyer: To, pay back to the town what we're paying out.

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Jean Moyer: so that per pickup rate.

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Jean Moyer: That is being charged to a residence accounts for, or is diluted by, if you want to think of it, by those 6 units at the commercial corner.

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Jean Moyer: and the public utility operating property tax. I know John and I had a discussion about that, and you'll see in the notes there on line 68, the last time

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Jean Moyer: Line 68. John, you're going way too far.

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John Compton: 168? Okay, yes.

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Jean Moyer: One just plain old 68.

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Jean Moyer: That rate has not changed, since 2015, fiscal 15. It was increased by 10 cents, from 60 cents to 70.

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Jean Moyer: And so this is a question for the Council today, tonight. We have not increased it from 70 cents per hundred. This is, a rate charged to the three public utilities, that being PEPCO, Washington Gas, and Verizon.

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Jean Moyer: And we always have just budgeted $5,000. You can see, I'm thinking it will come in at $5,600.

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Jean Moyer: I still have not gotten an answer from the county as to what

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Jean Moyer: base this rate is applied against to come up with this amount of revenue. But it's a matter of conversation with the Council. Do we want, it's been, what, 11 years? To increase this at all? It's a source of revenue.

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Jean Moyer: And so John and I wanted to highlight that, which is why it's in purple. Do we want to change that by 10 cents, was what we were proposing, per hundred.

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Jean Moyer: like I said, in 20… Fiscal 15, it was changed from 60 cents to 70, and has stayed there since that.

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Jean Moyer: I don't expect a discussion or answer at the moment, but perhaps, John, we may want to take

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Jean Moyer: revenue-related questions at the end of this presentation on revenue, and then before we move on to expenses? Or we can discuss it right now.

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John Compton: Yeah, I don't know what to say. This is… didn't round off.

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John Compton: So the propo… if… if the basis for the 5,000 remained unchanged, and you increased the rate from 6… from 70 cents to 80 cents…

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John Compton: You'd increase the revenue to $5,700 from $5,000.

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John Compton: That's our… that's… that's the net effect. It's about whatever percent that is, it's a…

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Jean Moyer: It's small.

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John Compton: It's a 15%, roughly, maybe.

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John Compton: increase.

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John Compton: I just think, since… the… Soap.

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John Compton: I'm going to bet that the public utility operating property tax is based on something which is depreciating?

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John Compton: I'm not sure about that, we're trying to get an answer.

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John Compton: but our… individual resident tax.

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John Compton: on property taxes based on something that's appreciating. So in spite of the rate going down.

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John Compton: The cost per residence goes up.

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John Compton: as the assessed valuation goes up. So, you know, after 10 years, it didn't… it struck me as perfectly reasonable to raise the,

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John Compton: The public utility, tax rate, once again.

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John Compton: We're not entirely sure what the… Property basis for the… The… the revenue is there.

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John Compton: Do you have any comments, or we'll just…

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Kriss Grisham: I have a question.

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Kriss Grisham: Maybe it's… It doesn't even apply, but as the utilities raise their rates, A certain percentile, you know?

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Kriss Grisham: As, as approved by the PSC.

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Kriss Grisham: Couldn't we just mirror those percentages?

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Jean Moyer: I'm not, educated or aware of the current increases, what rates they have been.

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John Compton: Well, we can look that up. That's all public information. Is that apples to apples? I'm not so sure.

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Jean Moyer: I mean, they can increase the rates for lots of different reasons.

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John Compton: Yes, that's correct, and it's painful for us. And there's a big argument, you know, in Annapolis, there's a huge…

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John Compton: You know, a deal about… about…

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John Compton: About controlling electricity and… well, and gas rates.

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Jean Moyer: I mean, but what we're thinking about is, what, 1% a year?

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Jean Moyer: Over the years.

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John Compton: Well, yes, and that… I'm sure…

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John Compton: Probably more than that, but I…

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John Compton: That'll be the day that rates go up only 1%.

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Jean Moyer: No, I was thinking our… our proposition.

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John Compton: Of this proposition, yes.

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Jean Moyer: Yeah, I, you know, we haven't done anything since fiscal 15.

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Jean Moyer: So…

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John Compton: I recommend we do it just to, just to be consistent, with our,

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John Compton: with our property tax issues. Also, the costs of running the town,

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John Compton: You know, should burden the… both… both private property and public property, so much.

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Peter Nagrod: Is there any downside to this? It seems like it's a logical step to go up 10 cents.

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John Compton: I have no idea, Peter.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah, so… yeah.

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Jean Moyer: I… without knowing what base they're using, is it, like, some sort of square footage that they run… that they utilize our town property on? I don't know yet.

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John Compton: Alright, show me where.

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Jean Moyer: And it's not a huge amount of money.

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Peter Nagrod: Right.

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Jean Moyer: about, but, you know.

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Jean Moyer: Anyway, that would, bring… that will… because that is a rate that I communicate formally to the county.

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Jean Moyer: I do need some sort of, you know, formal action, ultimately, out of the town meeting, that if we… if the council chooses to change the rate, and it gets approved by the town.

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Jean Moyer: MA, that rate will be communicated officially. So, ultimately, we do need to have a decision.

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John Compton: Right.

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Jean Moyer: Shall I move on? .

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John Compton: place.

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Jean Moyer: Income taxes is… like I said, it's a crystal ball. I have no idea what

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Jean Moyer: income taxes people are gonna file in a year. We, use a tried and true, formula based on actuals.

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Jean Moyer: to project out what we think. It seems to… the actuals come in a little higher, as you see in the middle column there, the 197.

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Jean Moyer: Because, the state goes back in time if people file taxes a year, two years, three years late, which happens.

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Jean Moyer: there are reconciling items that there's no way to predict. So, this 168850 is, taking a little bit of historical reconciling items into account.

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Jean Moyer: That's why you have a larger jump from the fiscal 26 budgeted amount.

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Jean Moyer: But I try to be conservative. I'd rather be conservative on revenue,

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Jean Moyer: Because you never know what happens, and what with the economy, and people losing their jobs, who knows what will happen in a year from now?

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Jean Moyer: So that is how that comes about. That's, you know, a fairly significant portion of our revenue. The other item, the others are very small.

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Jean Moyer: On line 74, that's in purple, the cable television franchise fees. Again, it's not a huge amount that comes in. It's pretty consistent. I… we get the

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Jean Moyer: checks every couple of months from Comcast and Verizon for using, like, using the town to put their wiring through.

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Jean Moyer: I know I will turn this over to John, to carry this discussion forward in… as far as the idea of, perhaps passing this small amount of money on to the Maryland, cable.

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John Compton: Yeah.

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Jean Moyer: Take it away, John.

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John Compton: Okay, so the,

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John Compton: the cable companies, negotiated with the county and municipalities. We lumped in with the county, I believe.

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John Compton: I think Gaithersburg and Rockwell had their own separate agreements, maybe others.

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John Compton: When the… when… when… when the franchise fees were agreed upon, and this is, of course, payment for the use of, for the use of,

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John Compton: The property, the telephone poles, the wiring, and putting… doing all the wiring, whatever, to supply cable to residences.

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John Compton: And,

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John Compton: That agreed. So, those franchise fees are divided into two parts. One of them is paid directly to municipalities.

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John Compton: And it's based on the number of cable subscribers in your municipality.

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John Compton: Or your jurisdiction.

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John Compton: And, and it is nominally earmarked for media expenses.

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John Compton: You know, audio-visual… Internet, whatever, expenses.

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John Compton: The other pot, the much larger, the larger pot, goes to, the county, and, and also to the municipalities, and is, was determined, I'm not sure what the formula was, but, that, franchise fee.

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John Compton: For the county, the county uses their portion for their… their… for the… it comes in two flavors. One is for capital expenses.

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John Compton: a certain amount, I think. I'm trying to remember. I believe the…

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John Compton: The Verizon fee was for capital expenses, and the Comcast and RCN fees were for operational.

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John Compton: Boss.

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John Compton: And the county uses theirs for their own, expenses. And a bunch of municipalities got together, since we did not have a,

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John Compton: At the time, a… And desired… did not have, but desired to have a cable public

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John Compton: cable network. So, Montgomery Municipal Cable

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John Compton: channel came into being, and we, along with, I think it's 12 other municipalities, or maybe it was more, it's fluctuated a little bit, gave our franchise fees over to Montgomery Municipal Cable.

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John Compton: Alright, fast forward.

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John Compton: the… and that's… those fees have been supporting Montgomery Municipal Cable.

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John Compton: The, the…

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John Compton: Montgomery Municipal Cable, and I'm on the board, by the way, so that's why I know all this in some detail.

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John Compton: The funds received, the cable company has… the MMC has a reserve. Unfortunately, the reserve is all in the capital expense pot.

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John Compton: And the operating, expenses, ha- pot gets used Up.

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John Compton: Every year.

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John Compton: And that amount has been declining, because… as has the capital, franchise, payments.

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John Compton: To the point where operations are now in the negative.

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John Compton: And Montgomery Municipal Cable is in the red.

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John Compton: And the Board of Directors has proposed that municipalities who

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John Compton: May not be using their individual franchise fee they receive

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John Compton: Based on the number of subscribers, that's this 5,000 we get.

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John Compton: For the purposes that they're supposed to be using it for.

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John Compton: consider donating it, or passing it through, to Montgomery Municipal Cable to help defray the declining revenues that, that the…

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John Compton: The channel is receiving.

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John Compton: So, I'm on the board, I, I mean, I was in favor of that,

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John Compton: The total that the channel might receive, if everybody agreed to that, is something on the… I'm forgetting what the number is. $75,000, or something like that, of which we are $5,000.

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John Compton: And so we've all… You know, we've been requested to…

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John Compton: Get approval to, pass along these franchise fees.

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John Compton: So, basically, I'm proposing that the town do that with the $5,000, or whatever the actual number we receive.

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John Compton: for franchise fees, be, we'll call it a donation, it may actually have to be called something else, I don't know, but it's basically passing it through to my primary municipal cable. So as a consequence, this is the revenue from that

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John Compton: Source, and then way down at the bottom, where we are,

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John Compton: Where we are passing along here some… some donations.

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Jean Moyer: The fire department. No, yeah, right there.

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John Compton: So this would be added as a donation to the cable company.

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John Compton: Any questions on… this.

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Peter Nagrod: I was muted. John, I have a question. What do we traditionally do with that $5,000?

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John Compton: It just goes into the general fund. It's not… doesn't… we…

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Peter Nagrod: Okay, okay, I thought that you…

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John Compton: for anything.

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Peter Nagrod: You kind of intimated that it was supposed to be. It sounded like…

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John Compton: Yes, it was supposed to be, and we haven't actually…

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Peter Nagrod: So, we could…

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John Compton: accounted for it. If somebody asked us to account for it, I'm sure we could account for some of it, own some years.

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John Compton: others not. I should have pointed out that we have recently, in the recent… in the last several years, received a lot of

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John Compton: val… I… I consider valuable,

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John Compton: support from Montgomery Municipal Cable. They've done a lot of films for us, videos.

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John Compton: They set up our hybrid, system. They gave us all that equipment.

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John Compton: So, we didn't pay anything for that. We had the technical advice, they're going to do our town meeting again this year.

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John Compton: So, we do get… You know, both… both tangible services and, you know, public relations,

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John Compton: Productions from them.

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Peter Nagrod: They filmed our Halloween. That's right. For two… yeah, they have it two years in a row. No, they're good. And so this is almost like the right thing to do with the money. You know, we're getting it for a reason, and this way we know it's being used for the right purpose. I think that's a nice way to look at it.

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John Compton: I think you put it… you put it well. That… that's kind of my,

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John Compton: the balance sheet that I… I think should be.

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Peter Nagrod: Right.

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John Compton: considered.

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John Compton: All right, so what we have is… we have the franchise fees here, and when we get to the bottom, you're going to see that proposed donation of

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John Compton: this exact amount.

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John Compton: To an MMC. Okay, go on, Jane, you can move on.

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Jean Moyer: Alrighty, the highway user revenue, that is dictated. I receive estimate, letters periodically from the state that estimate what our revenue will be.

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Jean Moyer: The money comes in in dribs and drabs throughout the year, but they, periodically send updates. This is the way, this is the most recent update, was back in December, as to what we can expect.

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Jean Moyer: So that is pretty much the way it is. If you get down to the, as I mentioned, this county municipal tax duplication, which is a very long name for something that's a little ambiguous, but,

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Jean Moyer: This amount of money is determined and sent to us. We generally don't hear about what the exact amount will be until April.

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Jean Moyer: Based on what we've, received this fiscal year, I'm just sort of bumping it up to a $99,000, but that amount, is not…

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Jean Moyer: I'm… there's no way to determine what it exactly will be as of tonight.

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Jean Moyer: The other…

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John Compton: Make a comment, Gene, let me… Yes, please. You know, this is $100,000. It's, it's a, it's a significant part of the town's…

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John Compton: Budget.

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John Compton: And it is… has… is of considerable importance to

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John Compton: All the municipalities in the county.

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John Compton: For years, this share, this duplication, return was, below what

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John Compton: what the services that were, in fact, being duplicated, by the county and by the city. So, for example, a duplicated service is we pay for the county to support their parks.

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John Compton: Plus, we pay for our parks, and they don't pay for our parks, so we have some duplication regarding that.

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John Compton: In fact, that's our principal duplication, but there's… there's a few other things. For Gaithersburg, it's the police. No, I mean, not Gaithersburg.

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John Compton: Yeah, for Gaithersburg, it's the police. They have their own police department. Right. So, they don't utilize county police, except when there's joint efforts. So, there's a duplication. So, the duplication is a real issue, and

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John Compton: For those of you who've been…

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John Compton: were awake for a few years ago. The municipality's been trying to get that this number closer to what is the real calculation, and three years ago, the county agreed to a formula to increase the amount of duplication

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John Compton: Revenue provided to municipality, so this number is actually known somewhere, and the reason it's…

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John Compton: It's not exact here is because, as always, the county has to appropriate… has to pass a budget that includes it.

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John Compton: And in the past, that's been…

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John Compton: Not a sure thing, the past being, you know, 5, 10 years ago, but it's a pretty sure thing, so when that's…

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John Compton: For sure, we will be certain we'll get what amount we're going to get.

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John Compton: That's the short story.

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John Compton: Of the complicated issue, but it's a significant contribution to the town's revenue.

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Jean Moyer: Okay?

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John Compton: Yep.

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Jean Moyer: Onto the recreation program. User fees,

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Jean Moyer: Washington Grove Film Society, last year, the Council had agreed, to…

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Jean Moyer: not ask the Film Society to charge fees.

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Jean Moyer: For folks who come to see the films.

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Jean Moyer: On a trial basis, I think, actually, that was 2 years ago, and, attendance increased as a result.

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Jean Moyer: John, I know… can you pull up…

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Jean Moyer: the email we got from Bob Kristen on…

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John Compton: Well, I don't… if anybody really wants to see it, it's not…

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Jean Moyer: But, not charging a fee has, increased attendance. They do track it.

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Jean Moyer: So, we're putting into this budget a continuation of what had been approved previously.

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Jean Moyer: To, not ask for a, a fee, to be charged per film.

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Jean Moyer: That is why there's currently a zero on there.

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Jean Moyer: If I move to Summer in the Parks,

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Jean Moyer: I know Eva had sent me a revised, budget, I don't think, as she had indicated, the bottom lines did not change, there were just tweaks within line items, but,

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Jean Moyer: you know, we do… it's about 35% of the attendance at Summer in the Parks do not reside in town.

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Jean Moyer: So there is a bit of a subsidy that goes on that you'll see in Note 5.

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Jean Moyer: But, this is a, traditional activity for the kids. They look forward to it, and kids, parents have come to rely upon it.

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Jean Moyer: And so, we have increased the fee. It was $2.50 for residents, it's gonna be $275.

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Jean Moyer: There's a $25 increase to, was it, $3.50 to $375 for folks who are not residents.

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Jean Moyer: So there's that. With investments, we've been blessed by sitting on the stormwater money, and making quite a bit of money from it.

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Jean Moyer: In interest, that will drop as we spend that money. I've tried to calculate that.

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Jean Moyer: But,

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Jean Moyer: we do not have to return any of that interest income back to the federal government, which is quite nice. And the only other thing I will note, I am, in past years, I'm jumping down to the miscellaneous category.

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Jean Moyer: Action hauling, which is that large, sort of unsightly.

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Jean Moyer: complex by the post office, rents property from Washington Grove, and, we invoice them every year. I have traditionally put that in the miscellaneous, but I am now calling it out as separate, just so people are aware of the fact that we do it.

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Jean Moyer: So, in last year's budget, it was part of miscellaneous, and it will become its own,

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Jean Moyer: identified area at the moment.

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Jean Moyer: If we get down to the, the, the…

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Jean Moyer: Sort of, more complicated revenue,

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Jean Moyer: with the ARPA money, we all understand we got that money up front, we've been sitting on it, making nice revenue from it,

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Jean Moyer: But we cannot, for accounting purposes, consider it revenue until we spend it.

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Jean Moyer: So what you see here, on line 98, we are anticipating

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Jean Moyer: Fully spending that money out in the current fiscal year.

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Jean Moyer: some money might trail into next fiscal year, but we feel fairly confident, or John does, that

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Jean Moyer: We will get that money spent in this fiscal year. We have until December to actually spend the money.

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Jean Moyer: If we don't, we have to give it back, but, it should easily be spent by the end of the calendar year.

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Jean Moyer: as I think we'll talk As we get through this with the playground grant, yay!

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Jean Moyer: We got the grant. So, what this budget reflects is spending most of it, in the next fiscal year. And so, John, I think we'll discuss this, a mirror image down when we get to expenses.

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Jean Moyer: Does that seem fair?

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John Compton: Yeah, that's fine, we don't have to.

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Jean Moyer: Okay.

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Barbara: So, so…

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Jean Moyer: Matt.

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Barbara: I have a question. Sure. So, why is it 150? I thought we were gonna get $2.50?

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Jean Moyer: Because, as I said, the budget as was drafted a week ago.

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Jean Moyer: Thought that perhaps it would take more than one fiscal year to spend it all.

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Jean Moyer: So, the idea since this was put together was to just budget as if it would all be spent in fiscal 27. And we'll discuss that when we get down into the expenses.

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Jean Moyer: And to the extent… you'll see that 150 is down in the expenses. They match each other, income and expense.

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Jean Moyer: If we decide to build all of the expense for the $250 in the coming fiscal year, then that will get, reflected up at revenue as well.

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Jean Moyer: But when this… final draft was put together. The thought was that the remaining $100,000

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Jean Moyer: Would not be spent until fiscal 28.

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Barbara: So… so it would be, like, deferred revenue for…

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Jean Moyer: No, no, no, this is a reimbursement grant.

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Jean Moyer: Oh, I see. We have to spend the money before we can ask to get it reimbursed.

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Barbara: Okay.

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Jean Moyer: So there's no concept of deferred revenue, which is what we have with the ARPA money, which we got all up front.

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Barbara: Okay, thank you.

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Jean Moyer: Yep.

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Jean Moyer: So, I will call out line 95, which is ahead of some of

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Jean Moyer: these, or temporal items. Use of reserves, the… we… we are required to, do a balanced budget where income and expense match.

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Jean Moyer: We have historically, projected expenses that exceed our revenue.

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Jean Moyer: And so, we have traditionally built a budget where, as you'll see on line 95, use of reserves, that 107,983 that's right there, is really a plug figure saying if we were

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Jean Moyer: To expend everything in our budget that we think we will expend, we will need to dip into our reserves, because our expected revenue doesn't cover everything we would like to spend money on.

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Jean Moyer: That has been the traditional way that the Grove has done this budget. So, that's that item there.

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Jean Moyer: as long as the 5 years that I've been treasurer, in… when it comes down to actuals, you'll see

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Jean Moyer: In the middle column there, there's a negative number. That means, oh, we did not spend everything we thought we would, and we have… we basically ended up in the black.

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Jean Moyer: to use a more graphic term, that money will go back into the reserves. As far as… as long as I've been here for 5 years, we've always actually put money back into the reserves, so…

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Robert Gilmore: Right.

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Jean Moyer: Just so everybody understands what that line is all about.

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Jean Moyer: Premium?

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Robert Gilmore: Jane, just to summarize, and I think this has probably been going on for much longer than you've been Treasurer.

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Jean Moyer: Yeah.

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Robert Gilmore: We project a budget shortfall, and we realize a budget.

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Jean Moyer: Sure.

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Robert Gilmore: circle.

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Jean Moyer: Gain, whatever you want to call it, yes.

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Robert Gilmore: Yeah.

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John Compton: It's terrible.

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Jean Moyer: Absolutely.

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John Compton: Starbucks.

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Jean Moyer: Yes.

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Jean Moyer: I have run reports way back in time, and yes, I can verify that that is the case.

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John Compton: usually.

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Robert Gilmore: We should pat ourselves on our back. At least we've been doing that, sort of right, that we've been, you know, kind of prudent and conservative in our budgeting.

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Jean Moyer: Yes.

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Robert Gilmore: So we got that going for us, which is nice.

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Jean Moyer: Okay, shall we move to expenses in the…

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Jean Moyer: And I'll remind folks, as I've spoke with certain folks during the budget process, to understand we have kind of, like, general expense areas, cost centers, whatever word you would like to put it, and…

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Jean Moyer: all of my treasurer's reports present it that way. So if you look at the executive, area.

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Jean Moyer: These are the areas… the types of expenses that we put into that.

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Jean Moyer: For the town clerk's salary,

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Jean Moyer: The group that put the job description together did a little research and came up with kind of a salary range based on experience. And so what we put into the budget would be the top end of that range.

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Jean Moyer: you know, hopefully we find somebody who can just answer all our prayers and do everything on our wish list. We wanted to budget for the top end, as opposed to the median end, and we have added in 40 hours for Kathy to come on on contract

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Jean Moyer: To help, kind of, train…

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Jean Moyer: Answer questions, historical knowledge, that type of thing, to ease in the new person.

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Jean Moyer: So that, number that you have there, it… that's why it's so much bigger.

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Jean Moyer: The other area, website maintenance. If we look down on note 8,

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Jean Moyer: We just know that we need to do a fair amount of beefing up,

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Jean Moyer: with, content support, with Christine stepping down. The idea is that hopefully a new clerk could do some of the day-to-day

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Jean Moyer: Website updates, new events, information, that type of thing. But, to really improve the website functionality, we would hire that out, and that would go in that area.

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Jean Moyer: that goes along with absolute, like, really modernization, which is, the next line down. So between those two different line items, which would be contracted out.

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Jean Moyer: we anticipate that. You'll see on the ADA Aids and Services, we're putting in for $10,000. There is, legislation, regulation.

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Jean Moyer: We need to do this.

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John Compton: Federal mandate.

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Jean Moyer: Yeah, we have to do this.

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Jean Moyer: We had had in the budget for 2 years running 2,500 that we would do this with. Current estimates are that that was woefully too little.

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Jean Moyer: And we're putting in $10,000 because we do need to, by legislation, make the website Accessible in,

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Jean Moyer: new ways.

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Jean Moyer: The other item that's an increase is the office equipment. We anticipate, getting the new clerk a laptop.

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Jean Moyer: And any other new equipment that might be needed, scanner, that type of thing.

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Jean Moyer: So that, there's a little flexibility in that.

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Jean Moyer: So we've put that in there?

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John Compton: Let me just expand on that. It's actually… we anticipate…

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John Compton: Getting additional archa- archivist help.

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John Compton: And both… for both, the new town manager and, archivist, we want… we want… we want them to be able to work remotely, and so a laptop would… is the ideal

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John Compton: Piece of equipment, and that's why it's so high.

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Jean Moyer: Yep.

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Jean Moyer: On the Maryland Municipal League, I've been inquiring…

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Robert Gilmore: Sorry, why do we want the town clerk or manager to work remotely? I don't.

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Jean Moyer: To make the position a little more desirable, as well as when they work nights, like tonight.

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Jean Moyer: They could have a laptop where they could put notes directly on, instead of taking manual notes and then having to enter them when they got into an office with a tower type of computer. Right now, it's just a tower computer.

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Robert Gilmore: I… I don't think I realized that. I, I…

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Robert Gilmore: I hope that we are making clear,

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Robert Gilmore: To candidates for the town manager position that… It's an in-office.

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Robert Gilmore: Yeah.

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Jean Moyer: Yes, yeah.

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John Compton: Nope.

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John Compton: So, Rob? Yeah, I mean, and Barbara could explain… any of us could explain that.

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John Compton: The, even today, the clerk holds office hours.

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John Compton: When they are present and available, the door's open, and they're available for people who walk through the door with whatever issues they have.

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John Compton: But the fact is that to get

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John Compton: Have a period of time to work.

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John Compton: on whatever needs to be done, and for the new town manager, that has expanded.

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John Compton: They need time where they're not interrupted. So the office hours are not the whole day, they're only part of the day, or they're…

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John Compton: You know, could be some days there would be no office hours, but

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John Compton: So that's one reason to… to have… to not have…

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John Compton: The manager available 8 hours a day, or whatever, 7 hours a day.

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John Compton: The other reason is, as Jean said, is to provide flexibility so that, the manager could attend the town council meetings, planning commission meeting, whatever meetings we're going to saddle them with.

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Robert Gilmore: Yeah, I'm sorry, I should have been more precise. I have absolutely no problem… laptop makes perfect sense for all those reasons. I was reacting to the comment… maybe I read too much into the statement or the comment that the town manager was going to work remotely.

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John Compton: No, no, that would just be, you know, a part of the time, a partial, you know.

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Robert Gilmore: I got it. I understand. Okay.

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Jean Moyer: All right, moving on, there's not a huge change,

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Jean Moyer: in the financial administration, as you can imagine, Rippling and QuickBooks, you know, their rates per month keep increasing. I've accounted for that. We do now have an Amazon Prime account.

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Jean Moyer: And I encourage residents, who haven't…

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Jean Moyer: need to purchase that type of item, whether it's Summer in the Parks or Peter, so that we can, eliminate some of the delivery charges and whatnot, get special pricing, and I see Barbara has her hand up.

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Barbara: Yes, I have a question about the town treasurer salary. Yes. So there's an increase there. Is that an increase in hours, or hourly rate, or what.

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Jean Moyer: It's an hourly rate, and I'll leave that to John.

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John Compton: Yeah, I'm, I believe… well, Jean's here, but… and we can discuss this without her here, but hopefully it's not necessary.

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John Compton: She's really expanded the role of the town treasurer significantly in looking over our, our HR policies, handling, the insurance,

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John Compton: requirements that will, improve our, our, our rates for insurance and our, our cover, and things like that. I think she's been…

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John Compton: Performance on the job has been beyond exemplary, and I felt that she deserved an additional raise for her effort. Jean does not

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John Compton: where she can speak for herself, I'm speaking for her, I'm her supervisor. She's not interested in increasing the number of hours she spends on the town treasurer's job, and a lot of what she's been doing has

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John Compton: has made her, more productive. For example, the, the, Rippling, and the QuickBooks, and all of that stuff.

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John Compton: has made her more productive, so she gets a lot more done. I… I just think at this time, she's… deserves that to be recognized, and so this suggestion is for a 10% increase in her hour… in her nominal hourly rate for

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John Compton: Whatever hours, it's all… it's all down there at the bottom.

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Peter Nagrod: And I totally, totally agree with you, John. But I would like to say that you probably have expanded what she does more than she's done herself, because you see what other talents she brings to the job that we didn't have in the past. So, it's a good investment.

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John Compton: I would like to say that's a little bit of it, Peter, but Gene's, you know.

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John Compton: You know, and I…

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John Compton: Blush too much.

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John Compton: She's… she's really a… she's so responsible and, and, interested in… in improving how the town operates, that she comes up with a lot of stuff herself and, takes on a lot of stuff.

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John Compton: herself, that, I'm not even asking her to do, but that have… are very valuable and have proven valuable.

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Barbara: So, John, could we get a job… could you forward a job description to the Council, or a list of duties, or something like that? Because, I mean, I hear, you know, anecdotally what Jean does, but I don't have a really good, you know, handle

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Barbara: on all the duties.

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Jean Moyer: Yeah, we have that, John.

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John Compton: Because we didn't hire her that long ago, so… Yeah.

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Jean Moyer: No, we have that, and yeah, we can send that,

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Jean Moyer: Traditionally, Barbara, staff only get cola?

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Jean Moyer: Which is all I've gotten for 5 years, so I did ask John for an increase.

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John Compton: you asked for a minor, and I, yeah.

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John Compton: And, well, well, desserts, so… Yeah, we do have a… Good description.

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John Compton: Alright.

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Jean Moyer: Yep, I'm just writing that note down.

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Jean Moyer: All right, we have not really made any changes to the town attorney. That $7,000, just for… so folks know, that, so that…

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Jean Moyer: with Sue Ellen, that is any, invoices we get from Sue Ellen for advising

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Jean Moyer: The mayor or council, and the,

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Jean Moyer: With the streetlight ownership negotiations, we're part of a group of 6 municipalities that she is helping to lobby to PEPCO, and so that $7,000 also covers

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Jean Moyer: One sixth of, her, work on that project.

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Jean Moyer: So it's not just, the work that's done, advising the mayor and council. Yes, Barbara?

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Barbara: So, we've had a lot of discussion in town about compliance with

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Barbara: ordinances, laws, and we really rarely use Suellen. And we have a new person coming on who…

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Barbara: We don't really know what their level of expertise is gonna be with

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Barbara: regulations and all of that, and they're going to be responsible for ensuring that we meet regulations. So, I would propose that we increase this amount for Sue Island, and honestly, I don't… I'm not even sure what the amount should be, but I don't think we want to…

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Barbara: limit this. You know, I do feel like there are times when we should call on Sue Ellen more often than we do, so I would propose that we increase this at least to $10,000.

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Robert Gilmore: I… I agree.

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Jean Moyer: And… Sounds fine.

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Robert Gilmore: I think that makes sense.

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Jean Moyer: I have made that note on my copy here, to change that?

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Jean Moyer: All right, planning and zoning, as some of you might remember from my reports, we now have a new area called General Maintenance and Improvement. That's basically work that RJ does that cannot be pegged to any one

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Jean Moyer: particular area, that we already have in the budget. In fiscal, 26, this 11,500 projection

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Jean Moyer: Because, as I said, this is a new, budget area that

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Jean Moyer: It came up during the year.

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Jean Moyer: And so there is… there was no budget per se. It is just part and parcel of the entire planning and zoning, area of cost.

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Jean Moyer: The two kiosks that you all approved.

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Jean Moyer: have been created, and by Renee Maloznik, and so those, will go into that area for the current fiscal year, along with, some other, improvements or work that was done,

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Jean Moyer: And then for the proposed fiscal 27, we will have two more kiosks of the same size, and a larger one is proposed up towards the post office, as well as some better drainage,

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Jean Moyer: in the grassy area, but that's, like, Washington Grove Lane and Macaulay. Those are area… things that we know for sure we would like to, work on in fiscal 27. So, that number is higher there.

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Jean Moyer: Otherwise,

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Jean Moyer: surveying and mapping, I was asked to increase that budget. I don't know if Georgette's on the call, but I know Peter could speak to that.

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Jean Moyer: Those areas, are higher.

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Jean Moyer: If we get down to sustainability.

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John Compton: Hey, Peter, do you know why the…

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah, we have not… we have the… the Planning Commission has had 5,000 carryovers forever, and we haven't used it,

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Peter Nagrod: In probably 5 or 6 years.

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John Compton: You want to carry over more, so we have…

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Peter Nagrod: Well, what's happening this year is that the town has outdated boundary maps.

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Peter Nagrod: And, Robert Johnson is really working on that, and we'd like to actually go with… go forward and, and update those maps, because they're just, you know, they haven't been updated in 30 or 40 years, and they really need to be.

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Peter Nagrod: So, and the expenses of, you know, all the… obviously, all the expenses for everything are going up, so we figure this year we'd like to really do that. And, you know, we think $10,000,

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Peter Nagrod: You know, we may not spend… we're not gonna probably spend the whole $10,000, but that seemed like… that's the best estimate we can come up with right now.

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John Compton: I mean, what do you mean by outdated boundary maps?

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Peter Nagrod: You know, if Robert was on here, he could help us a little bit more with that. If you look… if you want to look at the, any maps that we have, if you look in the phone book, even, and look at the maps we have there, you know, they're all just drawings that have been done, you know, it's all, like, passed down historically.

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Peter Nagrod: And we haven't really looked at that, and had that professionally looked at, and I don't know when it's been done. Maybe you do, I don't.

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Kathy Lehman: We do have one pretty good one.

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Peter Nagrod: Well, Robert's… Robert's the one who's, is working on this, and…

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Peter Nagrod: This was… this is since… he's been, you know, we've been looking at this for almost 2 years now.

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John Compton: Can you write up a cogent explanation of what… what… Boundaries…

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Peter Nagrod: How about I… yeah, yeah. Well, an example would be the railroad.

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John Compton: Re… re-surveying?

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John Compton: And… You know, why?

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John Compton: I mean, because not all boundaries are of any, you know, sign… I mean, have any consequence. We… we… we had a project. The reason this was in there

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John Compton: that has survived the project, apparently, was to, and Charlie of… Charleston, of course, was the… was the instigator and the executor of the… of the thing, was to,

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John Compton: Was to create, surveys of, of the town property By block, so that… Which would greatly aid

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John Compton: residents when they had to get surveys of their property, obviously, particularly in the oddball lots that we have. So those were all surveyed, and subsequent surveys are based on the town's property lines. That's all that was determined.

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John Compton: And so all of that was… made sense, so I'm… I'm not saying that what you're proposing doesn't make sense.

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Peter Nagrod: So here's the… okay, so here's… to make you feel a little bit more comfortable, okay?

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John Compton: Sup truck.

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Peter Nagrod: So, the area… the area that we're most concerned with is the area along Railroad Street. I mean, that would be one place, and that would be…

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Peter Nagrod: you know, normally we'll spend, like, $5,000 to get one, you know, as you know, every year we do a certain section, and so that's been… that's what we've been talking about doing for 3 or 4 years, and, you know, sometimes we think we need it, sometimes we don't, but,

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Peter Nagrod: now that we're doing… now that we're working on Railroad Street, and we want to do work across the street near the railroad tracks, there's a lot of, like I said, Robert's done a lot of research on what the town can and can't do on the other side of the tracks, and we'd like to actually get that surveyed.

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Peter Nagrod: And so that would be part of this. And that would be over 5,000 right there.

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Peter Nagrod: But we can also, you know, we can assign… Robert can write this all up for you, as far as getting a little bit more information.

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John Compton: I mean, I'll ask the top question, is why can't the, county Mark off their right-of-way.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah, well, why can't the county do a lot of things? I mean, not.

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John Compton: Well, I mean, isn't that the issue? You know, where the property… are we gonna… are we gonna establish the line between the county responsibility and…

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John Compton: Hours?

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Peter Nagrod: We have the same challenge on Washington Grove Land, too.

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John Compton: I know, we didn't…

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Peter Nagrod: I don't think this is the place for this discussion.

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John Compton: Okay, fine.

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Peter Nagrod: Hello!

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John Compton: I guess.

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Peter Nagrod: No, no, that's okay. And we can… if… when we come, we can just do it this way. We can have the money in there, and if the Planning Commission wants to use it, we can justify it to the Council at that time.

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John Compton: We can do it that way.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay, good.

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Jean Moyer: Okay, sustainability, the 1800 from,

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Jean Moyer: this current budget is being carried forward, and adding to that is a membership in an organization called ICLI, I-C-L-E-E.

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Jean Moyer: We, recently did not renew with them, but, the Sustainability Committee would like to. It's a $1,200 fee. As I recall it, it does last for 5 years.

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Jean Moyer: So that has increased the 1800 to the 3000.

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Jean Moyer: There was an item they requested in their original request for some compost bins.

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Jean Moyer: That has not been really discussed at the Council level.

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Jean Moyer: So.

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marywarfield: When… when can we bring that up? Because they.

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Jean Moyer: Right now.

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marywarfield: They want… huh? Okay, because the…

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Jean Moyer: Thank you.

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marywarfield: So, the hope was to… I mean, it's a… it's a heavy, labor-intensive work that… that everybody's been doing, and the hope was that they could, combine some of the volunteerism for making these composts with a little bit of help from RJ, and I know, some of it in terms of,

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marywarfield: delivering some of the leaf piles is already in part of the contract, but this would be, they were hoping to get, like, an hour a month to have them help

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marywarfield: to, to turn the piles and add water as needed that just, it adds up to a… I don't know if you walk by the maintenance shed, but there are always 2 or 3 people out there doing it all, so it's just… it's just a hope to combine volunteerism with a little help from… from RJ.

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marywarfield: So they came up with, with, the number of hours and about $800 additional.

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marywarfield: And that also includes, just a little bit of, material for, securing the, the bins with some cinder block, which is, like, you know, $30, and buying an aerator, which is about $80, so…

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marywarfield: These are all just to… to try to… the fact is it was pretty successful. They, produced a lot of compost that, went to, the garden and also went to the F&B for different places around town.

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marywarfield: And a lot of residents made use of the compost, so it's not just sitting there, it's actually

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marywarfield: being used, and, they have two additional bins, for this year, the two at the bamboo, which we'll, you know, we'll add from

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marywarfield: 4 to, you know, six bins producing the compost.

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Jean Moyer: So the question is if the Council would like to add back in the $800 request that was originally put forth.

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Jean Moyer: We didn't have a good explanation at the time as to what that extra $800 was for, and Mary has now provided that.

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marywarfield: So it's about $600 for labor, and the extra, was just material cost.

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01:38:05.780 --> 01:38:16.040
marywarfield: And that's just from… based on RJ's, hourly rate for an hour a week from June to August. It's $16 an hour and an hour

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marywarfield: During the… Hourly rate of 17.

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01:38:23.860 --> 01:38:26.360
marywarfield: Anyway, they figured it out to 204.

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01:38:26.850 --> 01:38:28.370
marywarfield: It's just a guess.

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01:38:29.200 --> 01:38:32.590
marywarfield: Actually, March… March to June is 50…

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01:38:32.830 --> 01:38:39.050
marywarfield: $51, and from July and August, it's $51.75.

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01:38:39.310 --> 01:38:41.070
marywarfield: For an hour. An hour.

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John Compton: I don't know how many cents there are. Now, just add it back, Gene. Go ahead.

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01:38:45.220 --> 01:38:46.440
Jean Moyer: Okay, we will…

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01:38:46.440 --> 01:38:49.369
John Compton: We have an explanation, at least you know what you're…

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01:38:49.370 --> 01:38:50.700
Jean Moyer: So, I am.

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marywarfield: I can send you the details, Gene, that just, I'm just trying to…

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Jean Moyer: I will change that at my end to $3,800. Yeah.

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marywarfield: Thank you.

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01:39:01.460 --> 01:39:18.790
Jean Moyer: So, emergency preparedness, the numbers really aren't changing. They would like to get one more radar. They seem to think it's helping, pulling together data to see, you know, what's been the, you know.

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01:39:18.790 --> 01:39:26.739
Jean Moyer: Behavioral reaction to having the radars, telling you a smiley face or not.

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01:39:28.690 --> 01:39:39.699
Jean Moyer: they would like to put one more in, but, that would be within the 500, the $5,000 that we've had this, fiscal year already.

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Jean Moyer: So there's that. Now we get to stormwater,

890
01:39:46.850 --> 01:39:58.010
Jean Moyer: We are waiting on a slight conversation with SMI. We do anticipate spending down the ARPA money in this fiscal year.

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Jean Moyer: I crossed my fingers. Please, help, help us.

892
01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:11.159
Jean Moyer: And then, once that money is fully spent down, we revert over to the Maryland grant money, the $250,000.

893
01:40:11.280 --> 01:40:15.280
Jean Moyer: And that is a reimbursement grant, so we have to spend the money

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01:40:15.760 --> 01:40:24.340
Jean Moyer: produce an invoice and wait to be paid. But line 145, reflects,

895
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Jean Moyer: Kind of the combination of the two for that.

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01:40:30.350 --> 01:40:35.809
Jean Moyer: And Energy Conversion Incentives Program… I'm sorry.

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Barbara: Jean, I have a question about the $400,000. You said that's going to be spent by the end of the fiscal year, so by June 30th, $400,000 is going to be spent?

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Jean Moyer: We… yes, that is the plan, is to actually get the ARPA money spent down as fast as possible. Now that the warmer weather is here, the design-build is…

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Jean Moyer: approved, I believe. They can start actually Doing the groundbreaking business, yes.

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01:41:06.830 --> 01:41:09.520
Peter Nagrod: So what's our deadline for spending that money?

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01:41:09.680 --> 01:41:19.540
Jean Moyer: The ARPA money has got to be spent, not just committed, but actually money out the door by the end of this calendar year.

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01:41:19.540 --> 01:41:20.929
Peter Nagrod: Calendar year, okay.

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01:41:23.560 --> 01:41:31.080
Jean Moyer: So this is, we have, like, I don't know, $370,000, roughly, left to spend?

904
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Jean Moyer: So this reflects that, as well as starting to tap into the Maryland grant money.

905
01:41:38.140 --> 01:41:43.170
Jean Moyer: Which would… Flow into the next fiscal year.

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01:41:46.790 --> 01:41:48.440
Peter Nagrod: So how much have we really spent?

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01:41:49.450 --> 01:41:50.220
Peter Nagrod: Love it.

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01:41:51.070 --> 01:41:53.140
Peter Nagrod: For the design phase, I guess.

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01:41:53.460 --> 01:41:55.390
Peter Nagrod: But actually, like…

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01:41:56.000 --> 01:42:01.210
Jean Moyer: Yeah, I, I have QuickBooks up. I'm gonna have to go back.

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01:42:01.210 --> 01:42:03.110
Peter Nagrod: Okay, I was just curious.

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01:42:03.110 --> 01:42:05.310
John Compton: Sure, under the $100,000.

913
01:42:05.310 --> 01:42:07.230
Peter Nagrod: Okay, thanks, that's, that's good.

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01:42:07.820 --> 01:42:10.430
Jean Moyer: I… I was trying to quickly get there.

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01:42:10.430 --> 01:42:11.359
Peter Nagrod: That's okay, yeah.

916
01:42:13.680 --> 01:42:21.039
Jean Moyer: it… all my treasurer's reports, if you look at the very bottom of them, I tell you how much ARPA money we're sitting on.

917
01:42:21.660 --> 01:42:22.740
Jean Moyer: Still?

918
01:42:23.300 --> 01:42:26.509
Jean Moyer: It's 300 plus thousand, still.

919
01:42:26.720 --> 01:42:29.229
Jean Moyer: So we gotta get that spent.

920
01:42:29.870 --> 01:42:30.680
Jean Moyer: Right?

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01:42:31.250 --> 01:42:44.189
Jean Moyer: On to energy conversion incentives. You will see, we have traditionally, I think for 2 or 3 years, set aside $20,000, but the pickup on…

922
01:42:44.410 --> 01:42:48.959
Jean Moyer: Residents using this program has been slow.

923
01:42:50.460 --> 01:42:58.770
Jean Moyer: So, John and I are proposing that instead of $20,000, to set… to plan on 10,000.

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01:43:02.100 --> 01:43:09.090
Jean Moyer: To date, it's been… out of the $20,000 set aside in this current fiscal year, we've paid out $1,000.

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01:43:09.360 --> 01:43:12.369
Jean Moyer: So, yeah.

926
01:43:13.560 --> 01:43:18.340
Jean Moyer: Municipal buildings, the,

927
01:43:18.470 --> 01:43:26.120
Jean Moyer: there's an increase in supplies, I think that kind of speaks for itself, as well as gas, electricity.

928
01:43:26.670 --> 01:43:33.750
Jean Moyer: Water, you know, utilities, as you all know with your own personal bills, they keep going up.

929
01:43:34.280 --> 01:43:38.530
Jean Moyer: I'm trying to project that out,

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01:43:40.010 --> 01:43:54.880
Jean Moyer: I am proposing, best I know, and Chris can correct me, although he did advise he thought that the fire alarm monitoring and sprinkler testing, those costs should remain about the same with the new system.

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Jean Moyer: So, I've budgeted accordingly.

932
01:43:59.170 --> 01:44:05.989
Jean Moyer: Janitor service salary, that's just a COLA increase.

933
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Jean Moyer: contracted contingency, that's really RJ or any other contractor that we need to bring in. That's any kind of repairs beyond the big elephant in the room of the sprinklers.

934
01:44:22.230 --> 01:44:35.619
Jean Moyer: And anything other major, that falls into McCatherine Hall maintenance, that has sort of… that got usurped this current fiscal year by the re… Sprinkler.

935
01:44:35.690 --> 01:44:44.350
Jean Moyer: Repair work, so we want to bring that back in. That's line 161, $50,000.

936
01:44:44.550 --> 01:44:50.490
Jean Moyer: The outside of the hall, the windows, they all need to be repainted.

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01:44:50.650 --> 01:44:56.599
Jean Moyer: The floors desperately need to be redone, and once everything is

938
01:44:56.680 --> 01:45:08.259
Jean Moyer: with all this work going on in there, is to finally spruce that place up. Anybody who walks by it, you can see how run down the paint looks.

939
01:45:08.340 --> 01:45:26.589
Jean Moyer: On the exterior, the locks aren't always functional very well. So, that $50,000, it was in this current fiscal year, it really hasn't changed. We've just moved it by a year because the sprinkler repair took.

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01:45:27.930 --> 01:45:36.419
Jean Moyer: We do expect to fully expend the $175 for the sprinkler repair,

941
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Jean Moyer: And that includes a few things, as Chris has reported on before, about new ceiling fans and lighting and a few other things that'll all go in with that, doing a deep clean of the office, as well as everything else.

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Jean Moyer: Moving quickly, hopefully. Streets and roadways,

943
01:46:00.050 --> 01:46:08.259
Jean Moyer: I got tired of tracking a $100 budget on street name signs, and I've blended that in with supplies.

944
01:46:08.380 --> 01:46:16.130
Jean Moyer: Resurfacing, that is one of those things where it's so expensive, we bring people in.

945
01:46:16.690 --> 01:46:23.259
Jean Moyer: Based on what we know, and we try to do one big project that goes across two fiscal years.

946
01:46:23.700 --> 01:46:32.489
Jean Moyer: Well, we have them in, because they only want to do big projects, so you will see the $50,000. This should happen, right, John, soon, right?

947
01:46:33.790 --> 01:46:42.939
John Compton: Yeah, we're putting together the RFP… well, I told everybody last time, but putting together the RFP will be in front of the Council, in April.

948
01:46:43.300 --> 01:46:47.190
John Compton: And you know, they… if…

949
01:46:47.560 --> 01:46:56.330
John Compton: We're going to have $100,000 to, in the budget… the combined budgets for this year and next year.

950
01:46:57.720 --> 01:47:01.829
John Compton: There may be a decision that need to be made,

951
01:47:02.110 --> 01:47:12.720
John Compton: based on the last time I assessed, or we assessed, condition of the roads, there weren't any glaring, high-priority items left.

952
01:47:12.890 --> 01:47:20.760
John Compton: After we did the work 2 years ago. So, we'll have to see where we are. There's always an argument to be made about

953
01:47:20.940 --> 01:47:38.669
John Compton: you know, being proactive, you know, you got the money, we have the revenue, comes in, how we use the revenues, that can only be used for walkways and… and roads, so we can keep up with our repaving, but we'll see where it goes. As I say, April

954
01:47:38.670 --> 01:47:44.230
John Compton: we'll… we'll get the RFP out, and then in the May meeting, after the Council.

955
01:47:44.290 --> 01:47:52.109
John Compton: After the annual meeting, we will hopefully be able to, award a contract for the work that we

956
01:47:52.220 --> 01:47:52.940
John Compton: deemed…

957
01:47:52.940 --> 01:47:56.990
Jean Moyer: And materials have gone up dramatically in price.

958
01:47:57.650 --> 01:47:58.539
Jean Moyer: with the.

959
01:47:58.540 --> 01:48:05.440
John Compton: Yeah, that's interesting. I can comment… I was going to comment on that in April, but I… I… I… you know, last time…

960
01:48:06.270 --> 01:48:13.019
John Compton: So they… the… the repaving contracts all… always… the vendors always include a…

961
01:48:13.150 --> 01:48:19.669
John Compton: A, provision that, this is based on current asphalt prices

962
01:48:19.670 --> 01:48:35.740
John Compton: And the contract is subject to change of asphalt prices, because they can't predict where the asphalt prices will be when they actually do the work. So, I know how to look up the asphalt prices, and believe it or not.

963
01:48:35.750 --> 01:48:41.700
John Compton: As of March, the cost of asphalt is exactly the same as last March.

964
01:48:42.300 --> 01:48:46.069
John Compton: Yet, oil prices, of course, have gone up by…

965
01:48:46.430 --> 01:48:52.679
John Compton: 150%, so it may still go up, in which case you get less for your money.

966
01:48:53.360 --> 01:48:53.730
Peter Nagrod: Hmm.

967
01:48:54.100 --> 01:49:02.869
John Compton: In which case, I may make a recommendation that we… depending on the priorities for road work, we may want to defer the work until the price of

968
01:49:03.070 --> 01:49:06.789
John Compton: Oil declined, the asphalt, price of asphalt declined.

969
01:49:07.380 --> 01:49:14.459
John Compton: But as of now, what I thought would be the case, that is, significantly higher asphalt prices.

970
01:49:14.630 --> 01:49:16.570
John Compton: isn't true today.

971
01:49:17.390 --> 01:49:18.430
John Compton: Okay.

972
01:49:19.630 --> 01:49:21.840
John Compton: Very… couple of factors, and…

973
01:49:21.840 --> 01:49:24.940
Peter Nagrod: You're saying today, as in, like, today?

974
01:49:24.940 --> 01:49:25.860
John Compton: Today, yeah.

975
01:49:25.860 --> 01:49:28.049
Peter Nagrod: Really? That's amazing. Yeah, that's great.

976
01:49:28.320 --> 01:49:31.909
John Compton: I mean, you know, gasoline goes up the minute oil prices.

977
01:49:31.910 --> 01:49:33.080
Peter Nagrod: Right, right.

978
01:49:33.080 --> 01:49:39.400
John Compton: And asphalt prices, apparently, there's a lag. I don't know how much of a lag or whatever, but…

979
01:49:40.650 --> 01:49:43.719
Jean Moyer: And we would be doing this work, like, June, July.

980
01:49:43.720 --> 01:49:47.589
John Compton: Yeah, not till June, so there's still plenty of time for the price to go up.

981
01:49:47.590 --> 01:49:48.220
Jean Moyer: Yeah.

982
01:49:48.570 --> 01:49:59.330
Jean Moyer: All right, so we'll leave that at 50, knowing that it's going… it's really going to be a contract of maybe 100, and it just goes across both fiscal years.

983
01:49:59.510 --> 01:50:03.810
Jean Moyer: Snow and ice removal. When I put this budget

984
01:50:04.270 --> 01:50:11.890
Jean Moyer: Together, we thought 6,000 might be enough. I got 2 more invoices for the last snowfall.

985
01:50:12.060 --> 01:50:20.530
Jean Moyer: The actual, I project out for this year at almost 8,000, so I am proposing

986
01:50:21.100 --> 01:50:28.969
Jean Moyer: Perhaps 6,000 is not enough if we want to, budget a little more.

987
01:50:32.430 --> 01:50:40.920
Jean Moyer: hearing nothing, I… we can leave it at 6, and if we go over, we go over, yeah? Cross our fingers, no more snow next year.

988
01:50:40.920 --> 01:50:41.629
Peter Nagrod: Yeah, yeah.

989
01:50:41.630 --> 01:50:54.729
Jean Moyer: Alrighty, streetlight operations, that's the, TEPCO bill from, for our streetlights, and it just keeps going up and up, so…

990
01:50:55.170 --> 01:50:58.429
Jean Moyer: There you have it.

991
01:50:59.130 --> 01:51:05.230
Jean Moyer: That's everything else about the same. Walkways, really no change.

992
01:51:05.230 --> 01:51:08.460
Peter Nagrod: Could you just explain this lighting design consultation?

993
01:51:08.760 --> 01:51:14.359
Jean Moyer: There's a fellow who is working with Virginia on the lighting, committee.

994
01:51:14.610 --> 01:51:22.600
Jean Moyer: As well as the other municipalities, about, What we do about,

995
01:51:23.730 --> 01:51:27.839
Jean Moyer: When we get, hopefully we get to own our own streetlights.

996
01:51:28.770 --> 01:51:35.920
Jean Moyer: We have not paid a bill. I understand from Virginia, he is doing work that he is not invoiced for.

997
01:51:36.700 --> 01:51:52.510
Jean Moyer: So, she had asked about, perhaps, maybe we should make it $10,000. We, you know, he hasn't invoiced us, and he is helping other municipalities as well, so we just left it at $5, and she was okay with that.

998
01:51:53.630 --> 01:51:55.149
Robert Gilmore: Woodbury is his name, I think.

999
01:51:55.530 --> 01:51:57.719
Jean Moyer: We will eventually get a bill.

1000
01:51:58.860 --> 01:52:10.489
John Compton: And she reached out to, Sue Ellen, and probably George as well, as to, you know, we're quite willing to pay you for your effort.

1001
01:52:11.070 --> 01:52:20.810
John Compton: You have to tell us what it is. He's also made trips to Annapolis to testify about this PEPCO,

1002
01:52:21.040 --> 01:52:28.329
John Compton: business. So, I do expect we'll, you know, we'll have some, some sort of an expense.

1003
01:52:28.480 --> 01:52:31.839
John Compton: This year, Gene, but I have no idea

1004
01:52:32.530 --> 01:52:36.290
John Compton: I don't really know if it'll be this year, but he'll finally pop up sometime.

1005
01:52:36.560 --> 01:52:37.140
Jean Moyer: Yep.

1006
01:52:38.210 --> 01:52:55.349
Jean Moyer: All right, walkways, there's really no change, and just so folks know, that contracted contingency is there for basically RJ, if there's any cleanup or restoration that's needed that pertains to walkways.

1007
01:52:55.710 --> 01:53:05.899
Jean Moyer: The trash, waste collection and disposal. We're in a contract with Casella. We are graced for one more year.

1008
01:53:06.050 --> 01:53:09.769
Jean Moyer: With rates not increasing,

1009
01:53:10.240 --> 01:53:15.699
Jean Moyer: And that, again, to repeat, feeds back into the dwelling tax rate.

1010
01:53:16.050 --> 01:53:21.489
Jean Moyer: That I spoke about earlier. Leaf collection,

1011
01:53:23.010 --> 01:53:32.119
Jean Moyer: We're waiting on… about hearing an extension of the current contract, so we're assuming that that 18,000,

1012
01:53:32.470 --> 01:53:34.069
Jean Moyer: is still good.

1013
01:53:34.370 --> 01:53:48.399
Jean Moyer: I understand there's the spring cleanup, last pickup of leaves will be April 1st, I believe it is, and residents need to be informed about that. So they get their leaves…

1014
01:53:48.400 --> 01:53:50.970
John Compton: I have a Grove alert, because I'.

1015
01:53:50.970 --> 01:53:52.430
Jean Moyer: Yeah, that was a hint, John.

1016
01:53:52.430 --> 01:53:59.739
John Compton: Wasn't in the bulletin. I could have sent the alert out 5 hours ago, but I wanted to see if there was anything from this meeting.

1017
01:54:00.440 --> 01:54:06.270
Jean Moyer: So, heads up to those on this meeting, get your last-minute leaves, put down…

1018
01:54:06.270 --> 01:54:09.669
John Compton: Now, next Wednesday, a week from Wednesday is the last… is April.

1019
01:54:09.670 --> 01:54:15.620
Jean Moyer: On, dog waste collection, we've had, reported

1020
01:54:15.850 --> 01:54:21.519
Jean Moyer: From what I hear, good results from the four boxes that are out there.

1021
01:54:21.610 --> 01:54:38.810
Jean Moyer: And the committee, I'll speak for, Mary. They would like to install a fifth box, which increases the related service. So that is the increase on that. Again, that…

1022
01:54:38.920 --> 01:54:50.029
Jean Moyer: was not budgeted in the prior year. It was kind of considered part of the contracted contingency, but I have now created a new line for it.

1023
01:54:51.600 --> 01:54:52.999
Jean Moyer: Getting there. Parks.

1024
01:54:53.000 --> 01:54:58.129
John Compton: Can't we get them… can't we get the dog waste collection together with the… with the leaf mulch?

1025
01:55:01.570 --> 01:55:03.560
Jean Moyer: Giving company! Anyway.

1026
01:55:03.560 --> 01:55:06.630
John Compton: You know, well, fertilizer, you know, okay.

1027
01:55:07.300 --> 01:55:15.729
Peter Nagrod: I did have a question about this dog waste. So there's a startup, we have to purchase the boxes, so there's a one-time fee.

1028
01:55:15.880 --> 01:55:20.010
Peter Nagrod: And then there's a, you know, weekly fee for the pickup.

1029
01:55:20.010 --> 01:55:23.829
Jean Moyer: Well, it's monthly. They do 2 pickups a month.

1030
01:55:24.700 --> 01:55:28.290
Jean Moyer: There's a fee for that, and they replenish the bags.

1031
01:55:29.090 --> 01:55:31.539
Peter Nagrod: So I just wanted to point out that…

1032
01:55:31.540 --> 01:55:49.980
marywarfield: There are two alternatives. You can either increase the amount of… the frequency of pickup, or add a box, because pretty much, consistently now, before the end of the time, I get a call and say every… all the boxes are filled, and they usually come within 2 or 3 days of that, but…

1033
01:55:49.980 --> 01:55:56.980
marywarfield: you know, there are two ways to do it. It's cheaper to add another box with the, with the every-two-week collection.

1034
01:55:56.980 --> 01:56:00.069
John Compton: How about capping the dog population in town?

1035
01:56:00.290 --> 01:56:02.780
marywarfield: Yeah, go ahead.

1036
01:56:03.650 --> 01:56:04.150
Peter Nagrod: No, I was just…

1037
01:56:04.150 --> 01:56:07.149
marywarfield: I won't even ask how you're planning on doing that, but…

1038
01:56:08.270 --> 01:56:16.770
Peter Nagrod: I was just gonna say that this number looks like a lot of money, but when you take out the startup fees of the boxes, it's much more reasonable.

1039
01:56:17.210 --> 01:56:18.660
marywarfield: Yeah. Thank you, Peter.

1040
01:56:19.370 --> 01:56:20.240
Jean Moyer: Okay.

1041
01:56:20.660 --> 01:56:30.139
Jean Moyer: On to parks. Contracted services, that's your basic RJ fee every month, same amount every month.

1042
01:56:30.330 --> 01:56:44.500
Jean Moyer: For the basic, cutting the grass and picking up the leaves. So, this, what I call contracted contingency, is any work beyond that. That's more like ad hoc stuff.

1043
01:56:44.810 --> 01:56:50.529
Jean Moyer: So, that's those first two lines there.

1044
01:56:50.850 --> 01:56:55.279
Jean Moyer: And we get into tennis courts.

1045
01:56:55.900 --> 01:57:06.899
Jean Moyer: The salaries. We pay anywhere from 2 to 3 young people to be out in the blaring sun for an hour, hour and a half.

1046
01:57:06.930 --> 01:57:17.020
Jean Moyer: Watering the clay quartz, and that is what goes in that line 194. It all depends on the weather.

1047
01:57:17.220 --> 01:57:18.670
Jean Moyer: Do we get much rain?

1048
01:57:18.960 --> 01:57:38.560
Jean Moyer: That helps us. They don't have… we don't have to pay people to water. If it's super hot, they have to go out. They… it's not just watering, they roll it, they break it, they clean the lines. There's… it's a very scientific thing that Linda Boehm, orchestrates and coordinates with these, young people.

1049
01:57:38.990 --> 01:57:54.250
Jean Moyer: Supplies and repairs. You will see that on line 195. In this line, this really is combining both the hard quart and the clay quartz.

1050
01:57:54.410 --> 01:58:00.260
Jean Moyer: There are cracks on the hard court. We've gotten some quotes about getting them filled.

1051
01:58:01.180 --> 01:58:07.559
Jean Moyer: Hoping that just repairing and filling those cracks will get us another year.

1052
01:58:07.980 --> 01:58:24.379
Jean Moyer: Before we really have to, look at replacing the hard cord altogether. And the clay cord generally needs work on it for the lines, and more hard… hard true, and whatever.

1053
01:58:24.380 --> 01:58:32.450
Jean Moyer: So, you will see a huge increase there, and that's really… a lot of it's related to repairing these cracks.

1054
01:58:32.620 --> 01:58:38.989
Jean Moyer: In the hard court, because it's getting so much more use with pickleball.

1055
01:58:39.540 --> 01:58:43.960
Jean Moyer: Okay, are we done with that item before we get to…

1056
01:58:43.960 --> 01:58:50.560
Peter Nagrod: Something that's a $30,000 To just repair the cracks?

1057
01:58:50.560 --> 01:58:52.579
Jean Moyer: I think it was 25, John, right?

1058
01:58:52.900 --> 01:58:54.910
John Compton: And it's some of the cracks.

1059
01:58:54.910 --> 01:58:57.809
Peter Nagrod: To repair just cracks, $25,000?

1060
01:58:58.090 --> 01:59:00.949
John Compton: Well, they, they, they cut out…

1061
01:59:01.620 --> 01:59:02.410
Peter Nagrod: Yeah.

1062
01:59:02.410 --> 01:59:05.109
John Compton: a segment, you know, including the crack.

1063
01:59:05.220 --> 01:59:08.309
John Compton: And then they refill it from… from the bottom.

1064
01:59:08.550 --> 01:59:14.219
Peter Nagrod: But we're thinking about spending this, and then redoing, and then having the courts redone.

1065
01:59:14.220 --> 01:59:22.420
John Compton: Okay, we have a quote. Funny you should mention that. That's my exact question. So, how much does it cost to completely replace the court?

1066
01:59:22.420 --> 01:59:24.700
Peter Nagrod: A hundred-something thousand dollars with myself.

1067
01:59:24.700 --> 01:59:28.060
John Compton: $20,000. We have a quote for that.

1068
01:59:28.350 --> 01:59:32.689
John Compton: We have a lesser quote, which isn't…

1069
01:59:33.390 --> 01:59:36.260
John Compton: Looks like it's not quite as…

1070
01:59:36.560 --> 01:59:41.719
John Compton: as extensive a replacement. I don't know whether it's comparable.

1071
01:59:41.920 --> 01:59:51.680
John Compton: or whatever, but it's only $75,000. So, once again, we're in the… we're in the realm of the… of the sprinkler system here. Right, right.

1072
01:59:51.980 --> 01:59:56.419
John Compton: So, yeah, and there'll have to be a decision made.

1073
01:59:56.680 --> 02:00:04.300
John Compton: So it's possible… We want to budget for… for a replace… entire replacement, and then…

1074
02:00:04.420 --> 02:00:11.279
John Compton: Maybe not spend it right away, or upon… Careful consideration.

1075
02:00:11.490 --> 02:00:18.460
John Compton: So, but that would be a significantly more than this $30,000, because, I mean, you're right, it may be throwing money away.

1076
02:00:18.660 --> 02:00:25.759
John Compton: repairing cracks, and they're only… that's only the major cracks. There's a lot of small cracks that this doesn't include.

1077
02:00:26.240 --> 02:00:26.620
Peter Nagrod: Right.

1078
02:00:26.620 --> 02:00:37.259
John Compton: I mean, yes, they would cover them over, and, you know, it would… you're right, it probably would last one year, and look fi… look great, and then after next winter.

1079
02:00:37.600 --> 02:00:39.909
John Compton: Most of the small ones would be back.

1080
02:00:40.170 --> 02:00:40.930
John Compton: Right.

1081
02:00:40.930 --> 02:00:49.249
Peter Nagrod: I think to make any decisions, we have to know whether we actually are going to look at replacing the tennis court.

1082
02:00:49.450 --> 02:00:56.179
Peter Nagrod: Because otherwise, we can… we can spend just a few dollars and get it cosmetically, you know, looking okay for a year. You know, you know that.

1083
02:00:56.580 --> 02:01:02.580
John Compton: And that may be the way to go. Of course, it doesn't get any cheaper the longer you wait, but…

1084
02:01:02.580 --> 02:01:03.760
Peter Nagrod: Oh, right, right.

1085
02:01:04.030 --> 02:01:06.820
John Compton: You have to… it's a lot of money, no matter, to go that way.

1086
02:01:08.620 --> 02:01:09.290
Peter Nagrod: Okay.

1087
02:01:09.470 --> 02:01:14.999
John Compton: This is kind of the in-between. For now, it's just, repairing the major credit.

1088
02:01:15.920 --> 02:01:16.680
Peter Nagrod: Right.

1089
02:01:19.270 --> 02:01:21.180
Jean Moyer: Are we done with tennis courts?

1090
02:01:22.510 --> 02:01:28.119
Jean Moyer: Okay. Playground. This is what the previous conversation was about.

1091
02:01:28.160 --> 02:01:44.699
Jean Moyer: At the time we put the budget together, we were thinking we would only spend part of the $250 grant, and the current thinking, as I've been told, is to put the whole $250 into a combination of

1092
02:01:45.010 --> 02:01:54.809
Jean Moyer: The very tail end of this fiscal year, and, next fiscal year, so that what you see here, this $30,000,

1093
02:01:55.290 --> 02:02:05.169
Jean Moyer: In the estimate for year-end of fiscal 26 plus the 120 that was proposed is… matches to the 150?

1094
02:02:05.460 --> 02:02:14.269
Jean Moyer: That we thought we would be asked to be reimbursed for through that grant in the proposed fiscal 27 budget.

1095
02:02:14.270 --> 02:02:17.909
John Compton: And you don't… that's not quite right. 30 is in this fiscal year.

1096
02:02:17.910 --> 02:02:18.580
Jean Moyer: Yes.

1097
02:02:18.820 --> 02:02:22.370
John Compton: The 150 comes from this 120.

1098
02:02:22.370 --> 02:02:23.350
Jean Moyer: Oh, Samia.

1099
02:02:23.350 --> 02:02:26.150
John Compton: And this basketball court.

1100
02:02:27.390 --> 02:02:31.640
Jean Moyer: Thank you, John. I had my $30,000 confused.

1101
02:02:32.940 --> 02:02:33.470
John Compton: Yeah.

1102
02:02:33.680 --> 02:02:40.509
John Compton: But I… okay, so here's my thinking on this, is the…

1103
02:02:40.810 --> 02:02:46.910
John Compton: The advantage of the state bond, of the grant, is it's not tied to a fiscal year.

1104
02:02:47.220 --> 02:02:51.120
John Compton: So, there's no foul. No harm, no foul.

1105
02:02:51.800 --> 02:02:55.490
John Compton: We're budgeting the… expending the entire thing

1106
02:02:56.900 --> 02:03:03.870
John Compton: for… for the period beginning when we can access it, which I'm told should be as early as June 1st.

1107
02:03:04.990 --> 02:03:15.849
John Compton: Whether or not we actually spend the money, and therefore request reimbursement, depends on a lot of things, about, you know, how fast decisions are made.

1108
02:03:16.010 --> 02:03:33.229
John Compton: And work is done. So if we don't spend… if we spend it all in a year, and we get a nice spanking new playground, and maybe we have some things left over to spend town funds on, that… that's one scenario. The other scenario is, okay, we end up only spending two-thirds of it, because

1109
02:03:33.230 --> 02:03:44.640
John Compton: you know, you need to do some of the work to see how it goes, or some decisions are harder, so we could extend the spending period. But by putting it all into the budget.

1110
02:03:45.130 --> 02:03:47.050
John Compton: It's accessible.

1111
02:03:47.500 --> 02:03:57.260
John Compton: Keeping… and the reason it doesn't have any huge impact is because we know we're going to be reimbursed, so it's… it's not… it's not town…

1112
02:03:57.650 --> 02:03:58.770
John Compton: revenues.

1113
02:03:59.080 --> 02:04:04.740
John Compton: it's not susceptible to the town revenue, source.

1114
02:04:05.010 --> 02:04:06.809
John Compton: For, for, for that.

1115
02:04:07.260 --> 02:04:10.579
John Compton: We can always spend more, but… Anyway, so my.

1116
02:04:10.580 --> 02:04:15.279
marywarfield: And is maintenance… will the grant cover maintenance of the existing playground?

1117
02:04:15.280 --> 02:04:15.940
John Compton: No.

1118
02:04:16.360 --> 02:04:17.060
marywarfield: Okay.

1119
02:04:17.960 --> 02:04:22.930
John Compton: I mean, who knows? I mean, we could probably make some good argument.

1120
02:04:23.600 --> 02:04:32.010
John Compton: But, I'm inclined to not try and push it. We generally cover maintenance, so why not keep covering maintenance?

1121
02:04:32.430 --> 02:04:34.429
John Compton: It's not a huge expense.

1122
02:04:35.330 --> 02:04:37.390
Peter Nagrod: Is this… and John, is this money…

1123
02:04:37.550 --> 02:04:48.059
Peter Nagrod: this money is… Maryland's got a deficit going. It's pretty impressive, and it's gonna… they say it's gonna continue. Is this money guaranteed, or is there any.

1124
02:04:48.060 --> 02:04:49.050
John Compton: Oh, okay.

1125
02:04:49.160 --> 02:04:49.889
Peter Nagrod: The blood?

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John Compton: Of course, that's an excellent question. You know, just because

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02:04:54.350 --> 02:05:06.970
John Compton: I mean, the governor could veto something or another, right? He could just say, forget all these legislative bond initiatives. But he's unlikely to do that. First of all, a huge number of projects are funded in this manner.

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02:05:06.970 --> 02:05:17.560
John Compton: All across the state, and they're all small potatoes, generally. They go as high as a million dollars for some things, but generally they're in the $250 to under $250.

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02:05:17.560 --> 02:05:24.220
John Compton: But they're funded by… it's called a Legislative Bond Initiative, so it's funded by issuing bonds.

1130
02:05:24.640 --> 02:05:28.710
John Compton: And so the state is really only committing

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02:05:28.860 --> 02:05:32.570
John Compton: To time payments on these grants.

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02:05:33.090 --> 02:05:36.950
John Compton: And they don't have to come up with… if the total amount

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02:05:37.050 --> 02:05:43.350
John Compton: I'll make up an… I'm not sure what the total amount is, but let's say it's 30 or 40 or 50 million dollars.

1134
02:05:43.650 --> 02:05:46.609
John Compton: They don't have to come up with that much money.

1135
02:05:46.880 --> 02:05:50.479
John Compton: They have to pay interest, and then they have to repay the bonds.

1136
02:05:50.690 --> 02:05:59.229
John Compton: So it's… it's not… It's not current funds entirely. So it's not really a big potatoes item.

1137
02:05:59.770 --> 02:06:06.860
John Compton: Senator King, Nancy King, said, you know, I asked, can we consider this a done deal? And, you know.

1138
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John Compton: Political legislators are famous for equivocating

1139
02:06:12.810 --> 02:06:14.930
John Compton: She didn't equivocate, she said, yeah.

1140
02:06:15.420 --> 02:06:21.340
John Compton: I'm amazed. But the proof is in the getting, so once they pass the budget, we'll know for sure.

1141
02:06:21.460 --> 02:06:25.849
John Compton: Or… whether… I doubt the governor would veto this.

1142
02:06:27.040 --> 02:06:31.929
Peter Nagrod: So it'd be a good strategy, though, to spend this as fast as we can, it seems like.

1143
02:06:33.230 --> 02:06:41.079
John Compton: Yeah, and so Jonathan Dale has raised the question, because in our fact sheet, we indicated we would be spending

1144
02:06:41.500 --> 02:06:44.290
John Compton: Town funds, we would be raising…

1145
02:06:44.460 --> 02:07:00.940
John Compton: you know, what we were gonna do was use the grant, use some town funds, and raise some money from… by donations and other… other sources. And would it be a problem if we don't actually demonstrate that we're spending town funds?

1146
02:07:01.310 --> 02:07:13.040
John Compton: I suspect that it's not a problem, but in any event, this bond grant, you know, that's an issue for reimbursement.

1147
02:07:14.570 --> 02:07:20.240
John Compton: And I, you know, I can't… I can't figure it out, and I don't know how we can budget

1148
02:07:20.810 --> 02:07:25.910
John Compton: I mean, we… this doesn't say… this line item… you know.

1149
02:07:26.100 --> 02:07:28.720
John Compton: Doesn't say where the money's coming from.

1150
02:07:29.570 --> 02:07:36.730
John Compton: The line item that is important is how much we're going to get, which is back up here in the revenue section.

1151
02:07:37.460 --> 02:07:40.740
John Compton: Back from the, from the,

1152
02:07:40.840 --> 02:07:52.429
John Compton: here it is, from the, playground grant. So, if we don't get all that back, because they say, oh, you didn't make your contribution, although we don't specify any contribution.

1153
02:07:52.850 --> 02:08:07.309
John Compton: then, yeah, it will cost us a little more money. So I'm thinking this is not a problem. He's asked a good question, but it was just in our narrative explanation as to how we were going… not our narrative, it was our… our budget.

1154
02:08:07.480 --> 02:08:13.810
John Compton: or… Free project budget for the playground project.

1155
02:08:15.530 --> 02:08:21.989
John Compton: So, we can resolve that going forward. I think for now, I think the assumption of what we're planning to do is

1156
02:08:22.250 --> 02:08:25.910
John Compton: is okay, I'll try and resolve that by the…

1157
02:08:26.100 --> 02:08:30.520
John Compton: By the… by the null of, the town meeting.

1158
02:08:31.270 --> 02:08:32.150
John Compton: If not, check.

1159
02:08:32.730 --> 02:08:36.720
Jean Moyer: So, John, for tonight, are we changing this 120?

1160
02:08:37.370 --> 02:08:43.670
John Compton: I recommend it be changed so that we are budgeting, .

1161
02:08:43.670 --> 02:08:45.179
Jean Moyer: I saw you put in…

1162
02:08:45.180 --> 02:08:49.960
John Compton: Expenditure of the entire grant, which is 30 this year.

1163
02:08:50.310 --> 02:08:51.070
Jean Moyer: Right.

1164
02:08:51.070 --> 02:08:52.980
John Compton: That would be before June 30th.

1165
02:08:53.270 --> 02:08:53.610
Jean Moyer: Right.

1166
02:08:53.610 --> 02:08:56.870
John Compton: We'd be between June 1st and June 30th.

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02:08:57.720 --> 02:09:01.660
John Compton: Then the $30,000 for the.

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02:09:01.660 --> 02:09:02.080
Jean Moyer: Excellent.

1169
02:09:02.080 --> 02:09:08.639
John Compton: Basketball court, which is in next year, and the rest of it is up here in playground equipment.

1170
02:09:09.180 --> 02:09:10.950
Jean Moyer: So that would be 190.

1171
02:09:11.210 --> 02:09:13.709
John Compton: Yeah, it should be 190, that's what I think.

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02:09:14.800 --> 02:09:17.190
Jean Moyer: Okay, I have done that.

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02:09:20.690 --> 02:09:21.940
Jean Moyer: Just a recap to everything.

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02:09:21.940 --> 02:09:26.419
John Compton: No one wants to, wants to make a comment. I thought I covered what he wanted.

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Kristina Kough & Jonathan Dail: You did, you did, but I do have a follow-up about just a clarification on the $30,000 for this year. I understand it's in this year's budget, and we're nearing the end of this year. Are you suggesting that we use the $30,000

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Kristina Kough & Jonathan Dail: and be reimbursed, ideally, in the fiscal year 2027 from the state bond? Is that how that would work?

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02:09:49.490 --> 02:09:52.680
John Compton: If we spent it this year.

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02:09:52.680 --> 02:09:53.400
Kristina Kough & Jonathan Dail: If we did.

1179
02:09:53.400 --> 02:09:56.949
John Compton: We could… we could draw on the state bond.

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02:09:57.550 --> 02:10:12.000
John Compton: I had a discussion with Oscar, both by email and otherwise. I… I… because these… because you guys now… the playground now has access to the funds that are not dependent on fiscal year.

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John Compton: Limit, dates.

1182
02:10:14.460 --> 02:10:18.640
John Compton: I think you guys ought to be doing a site plan before you

1183
02:10:19.250 --> 02:10:27.989
John Compton: jump in and develop even one of those plots. And, you know, I'd hate to have that be under the gun.

1184
02:10:28.090 --> 02:10:31.120
John Compton: by, you know, oh, we gotta do it by June 30th.

1185
02:10:31.480 --> 02:10:37.719
John Compton: So, you don't have to do it by June 30th. If you don't get it done until July 31st, no problem.

1186
02:10:38.190 --> 02:10:44.870
John Compton: But… That was my… so whether it's this fiscal year or not isn't, I think, a consequence.

1187
02:10:47.790 --> 02:11:02.269
Kristina Kough & Jonathan Dail: So, just making sure we're saying $2.50 all in, that the 30 does not add to that incrementally. Whether we spend it this fiscal year or next, we're not talking about $280, we're talking about $250. Is that correct?

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02:11:03.150 --> 02:11:05.209
John Compton: That's correct.

1189
02:11:05.760 --> 02:11:06.960
Kristina Kough & Jonathan Dail: Okay, thanks.

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02:11:08.210 --> 02:11:08.850
Jean Moyer: Okay?

1191
02:11:11.980 --> 02:11:15.470
Jean Moyer: Moving on beyond Playground,

1192
02:11:15.720 --> 02:11:24.629
Jean Moyer: We are proposing to increase tree removal by 10,000, just so folks know, we've had so many trees

1193
02:11:24.950 --> 02:11:30.290
Jean Moyer: Big trees, coming down, they're aging out.

1194
02:11:30.460 --> 02:11:38.710
Jean Moyer: And it's getting… it… every year, it's tight, to keep within the original budget.

1195
02:11:39.040 --> 02:11:50.590
Jean Moyer: I have to say, Audrey is extremely frugal, and very on top of knowing what trees and timing of when they should come out.

1196
02:11:50.830 --> 02:11:58.049
Jean Moyer: So… We are asking for another $10,000 on tree removal for that.

1197
02:11:58.380 --> 02:12:04.910
Jean Moyer: Woods Management, you will see it appears as if

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02:12:05.280 --> 02:12:13.309
Jean Moyer: They have reduced their traditional $50,000, budget request.

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Jean Moyer: By 2500, however, that is, shared with line 198.

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02:12:20.440 --> 02:12:33.610
Jean Moyer: Which is our fearless, very young, or first-timer people in the workforce who, slug jugs of water out to the trees.

1201
02:12:33.900 --> 02:12:38.180
Jean Moyer: Our fearless tree waterer people, as I call them.

1202
02:12:38.460 --> 02:12:47.490
Jean Moyer: We have about 3 or 4 young people who we pay to truck jugs of water out to the new trees in the woods.

1203
02:12:47.600 --> 02:12:53.369
Jean Moyer: Because RJ cannot take a truck out there to water them.

1204
02:12:53.700 --> 02:12:56.679
Jean Moyer: So, that's how we have it.

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02:12:57.700 --> 02:13:01.529
Jean Moyer: The rest of all of that is about the same.

1206
02:13:01.790 --> 02:13:03.040
Jean Moyer: for perks.

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02:13:03.900 --> 02:13:07.770
Jean Moyer: Any question before I move on out of parks?

1208
02:13:10.060 --> 02:13:20.330
Jean Moyer: Okay, recreation programs, this is really, you know, the fun events. That's really what this area is all about.

1209
02:13:23.690 --> 02:13:31.379
Jean Moyer: Summer in the Park salaries are going up a bit. We are now required to hold to some ratios.

1210
02:13:31.470 --> 02:13:44.160
Jean Moyer: We will have 4 staff. We've traditionally had 3, roughly. We have more fees related to the new requirements, as everybody is aware of.

1211
02:13:44.380 --> 02:13:55.230
Jean Moyer: So supplies, which is where I'm putting the, background checks and all of that sort of stuff into, has gone up.

1212
02:13:55.690 --> 02:14:03.109
Jean Moyer: Other than that, the only area is the music weekend.

1213
02:14:03.350 --> 02:14:07.829
Jean Moyer: as some people have talked about, has music weekend…

1214
02:14:08.130 --> 02:14:23.620
Jean Moyer: sort of run its course, because it's so close in time to Circle Fest, which everybody loves, and, you know, do we want to cut that back? But for now, the budget remains the same for the whole weekend.

1215
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Jean Moyer: And that is about it for recreation programs. Any questions?

1216
02:14:31.730 --> 02:14:36.990
Jean Moyer: Moving on quickly… HPC has been a bit of a.

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02:14:36.990 --> 02:14:41.339
John Compton: You wanna just explain the net for the SID… for the Summer in the Parks?

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02:14:41.950 --> 02:14:42.720
Jean Moyer: The net!

1219
02:14:42.870 --> 02:14:43.460
Jean Moyer: That didn't…

1220
02:14:43.460 --> 02:14:44.860
John Compton: Rush to the town for some.

1221
02:14:44.860 --> 02:14:47.080
Jean Moyer: Yeah, it's in the footnote.

1222
02:14:47.080 --> 02:14:47.910
John Compton: Okay, that's…

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02:14:47.910 --> 02:15:04.850
Jean Moyer: Yeah, it's down. I put, you know, the town ends up subsidizing. We don't bring in, we don't charge. Yes, we could charge more compared to other programs that are out there, that… and we have increased the rate,

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02:15:05.610 --> 02:15:16.920
Jean Moyer: we chose not to increase it hugely, but we could have. But yes, the town does subsidize summer in the Parks. It's about…

1225
02:15:17.380 --> 02:15:23.349
Jean Moyer: I put it in there, $26.50 is the subsidy.

1226
02:15:23.740 --> 02:15:30.769
Jean Moyer: You know, so, you know, it's a wonderful program.

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02:15:30.950 --> 02:15:35.870
Jean Moyer: Parents rely on it. They love it.

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02:15:36.140 --> 02:15:45.580
Jean Moyer: And, it's hugely successful, and that is the town's… Donation towards that.

1229
02:15:46.130 --> 02:15:52.739
Jean Moyer: Again, any questions on that before we move to HPC?

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02:15:55.130 --> 02:16:02.720
Jean Moyer: I… I will not be the one to speak on what's going on with the archive worker.

1231
02:16:02.870 --> 02:16:10.870
Jean Moyer: I will turn that over to anybody else who would like to address that.

1232
02:16:10.870 --> 02:16:24.340
John Compton: This is not the time to discuss the details, but suffice it to say, the project is still in need of considerable effort, and the,

1233
02:16:24.780 --> 02:16:35.830
John Compton: the HPC would like to maintain the budget. You'll note that we're not spending anywhere… they're not spending anywhere near the budgeted amount, this fiscal year. This is estimated

1234
02:16:35.990 --> 02:16:47.789
John Compton: But they'd like to retain it for next year. It's virtually certain we're going to engage an additional or a replacement archivist.

1235
02:16:47.950 --> 02:16:50.530
John Compton: So, we'll need to pay them.

1236
02:16:50.900 --> 02:16:55.789
Peter Nagrod: John, at our last council meeting, we had… Bob gave a good presentation.

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02:16:55.959 --> 02:16:56.619
John Compton: Exactly.

1238
02:16:56.620 --> 02:16:59.990
Peter Nagrod: Not this. So we're all… I mean, we've all been well-versed somewhat.

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02:16:59.990 --> 02:17:01.369
John Compton: But that's why this is stolen.

1240
02:17:01.419 --> 02:17:02.139
Peter Nagrod: Yeah, yeah.

1241
02:17:02.809 --> 02:17:14.719
Jean Moyer: Okay, lake, we… we have new, fresh blood running lake issues. Steven Hansen, I did get a late time,

1242
02:17:15.689 --> 02:17:17.659
Jean Moyer: Budget from him.

1243
02:17:17.989 --> 02:17:24.019
Jean Moyer: I don't expect these numbers to be drastically different.

1244
02:17:24.339 --> 02:17:28.949
Jean Moyer: He parsed it into way more, detail than

1245
02:17:29.139 --> 02:17:32.299
Jean Moyer: I do, but, he and I talked.

1246
02:17:32.489 --> 02:17:41.279
Jean Moyer: And I do not expect these numbers to be drastically different. He's in the throes of trying to find lifeguards.

1247
02:17:43.549 --> 02:17:56.019
Jean Moyer: And, the idea… there is an idea out there for a lifeguard supervisor, which would be somebody paid to…

1248
02:17:56.739 --> 02:18:10.639
Jean Moyer: Kind of handle the training, getting them going, supervision on a daily basis, making sure there's a good schedule of lifeguards, and that kind of thing.

1249
02:18:10.839 --> 02:18:22.529
Jean Moyer: So you'll see line 252 is a new position, that we would, hire somebody, whether it's,

1250
02:18:24.939 --> 02:18:44.659
Jean Moyer: I had proposed that perhaps the swim instructor would be interested in taking on a little extra hours and doing that, but it remains to be seen what they can pull in. He's had, I think he said he's reached out to 5 or 6 former lifeguards that seem interested.

1251
02:18:44.789 --> 02:18:49.879
Jean Moyer: So, we're all thinking very positively that this

1252
02:18:50.139 --> 02:18:55.669
Jean Moyer: will come to pass. This budget is built on having

1253
02:18:55.809 --> 02:19:02.619
Jean Moyer: maximum coverage. Every day, you're gonna have 2 lifeguards for 6 hours each.

1254
02:19:02.769 --> 02:19:15.389
Jean Moyer: For the whole season, traditionally, that doesn't come to pass because people, you know, you've got college-age students, they take vacations and whatnot, or have to head back to college early.

1255
02:19:15.399 --> 02:19:27.339
Jean Moyer: So as you can see, I do not expect salaries to come close to last year's, the current year budget, but we would like to budget as if they will.

1256
02:19:28.199 --> 02:19:36.829
Jean Moyer: Other than that, there's not huge, changes,

1257
02:19:37.219 --> 02:19:42.689
Jean Moyer: There is this idea of having a porta potty down by the lake.

1258
02:19:43.459 --> 02:19:50.069
Jean Moyer: And, we're still trying to come up with numbers.

1259
02:19:50.459 --> 02:19:56.849
Jean Moyer: Is to make sure that this 2500 is a good, solid number.

1260
02:19:57.079 --> 02:20:01.079
Jean Moyer: To have two… what is it, one port-a-potty, or two port-a-potties?

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02:20:01.080 --> 02:20:08.959
Peter Nagrod: The number was originally, like, 3,000 for two, and I think the Lake Committee decided to try and go with just one.

1262
02:20:08.960 --> 02:20:09.690
Jean Moyer: one, right?

1263
02:20:09.690 --> 02:20:16.599
Peter Nagrod: For this 25 should… It would be cleaned one… with the money, with the… with the…

1264
02:20:16.810 --> 02:20:25.779
Peter Nagrod: information I got, it was… they would come once a week, you know, they deliver it, it stays there all, and then they clean it out, once a week, and they also clean it.

1265
02:20:25.950 --> 02:20:33.300
Peter Nagrod: And that also includes a, a washing station outside of the bathroom itself, which is nice. But so…

1266
02:20:33.300 --> 02:20:36.719
marywarfield: 2,500 would easily cover one.

1267
02:20:36.720 --> 02:20:37.640
Jean Moyer: Right.

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02:20:37.640 --> 02:20:48.570
marywarfield: There's a kind of a range from different, different… you can get extra services, and depends on where they're delivering, and but 2,500 seems to be a reasonable number just for one.

1269
02:20:48.850 --> 02:20:57.750
Jean Moyer: When John and I were talking, we were wondering, like, if that service is once a week, do we want to pay somebody to check on them daily?

1270
02:20:58.190 --> 02:21:03.499
Jean Moyer: Like, oh, it ran out of toilet paper, or my god, there was this horrific mess.

1271
02:21:03.500 --> 02:21:14.610
John Compton: I… I would strongly… Suspect that you would want to have a… cursory… cleaning.

1272
02:21:14.740 --> 02:21:15.750
John Compton: Daily.

1273
02:21:17.190 --> 02:21:35.590
John Compton: I mean, you know, people… come on. Using… you know what happens in these things, and, you know, I would… I would, plan to have it looking, you know, pristine or decent in the morning, and…

1274
02:21:36.270 --> 02:21:38.289
marywarfield: So, do we need to add another…

1275
02:21:38.420 --> 02:21:41.550
marywarfield: person or salary for daily cleanup who's gonna do… I don't think.

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02:21:41.550 --> 02:21:42.140
John Compton: That's crazy.

1277
02:21:42.140 --> 02:21:43.779
marywarfield: The lifeguards to do that.

1278
02:21:43.780 --> 02:21:44.830
John Compton: Yeah.

1279
02:21:44.830 --> 02:21:46.360
Peter Nagrod: You just volunteer?

1280
02:21:46.360 --> 02:21:46.909
marywarfield: There you go.

1281
02:21:46.910 --> 02:21:48.929
Peter Nagrod: I heard it! I heard that.

1282
02:21:49.540 --> 02:22:00.239
John Compton: Yeah, no, it could be a lifeguard duty. This… we're not talking, you know, cleaning the toilets or anything like that. We're talking about wiping down the…

1283
02:22:00.240 --> 02:22:01.590
marywarfield: Meaning the toilet.

1284
02:22:01.590 --> 02:22:03.319
John Compton: Oh, Jay, well, yeah.

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02:22:03.320 --> 02:22:07.259
marywarfield: I don't know, I don't know if the lifeguards are going to be crazy about that, or maybe you can pay them.

1286
02:22:07.260 --> 02:22:08.660
John Compton: Well, we talked about having.

1287
02:22:08.660 --> 02:22:09.090
marywarfield: do it.

1288
02:22:09.090 --> 02:22:13.169
John Compton: Having our janitor do it. There's a… there are some options, but…

1289
02:22:13.170 --> 02:22:14.430
Peter Nagrod: Yeah, okay.

1290
02:22:14.840 --> 02:22:16.259
John Compton: Probably want to do it if you want.

1291
02:22:16.260 --> 02:22:24.019
marywarfield: So, should we increase the money for… allocated for the porta potty to include possible, daily servicing?

1292
02:22:24.810 --> 02:22:27.280
John Compton: Can we get one without walls?

1293
02:22:28.070 --> 02:22:29.940
marywarfield: Without walks?

1294
02:22:29.940 --> 02:22:30.840
John Compton: Yeah.

1295
02:22:30.840 --> 02:22:31.340
Jean Moyer: That would.

1296
02:22:31.340 --> 02:22:51.320
marywarfield: I mean, we may not spend it, but I'd rather have the money in there in case we needed it, rather than… and then, you know, if we don't spend it, we don't spend it. But, you know, the problem is there's so many alternatives in terms of different companies that we really haven't looked into the details for, so if you give us some leeway, we'll try to find the best solution.

1297
02:22:51.320 --> 02:22:52.220
marywarfield: Corolla.

1298
02:22:52.220 --> 02:22:54.179
John Compton: 500, make it 3,000?

1299
02:22:54.890 --> 02:22:55.780
marywarfield: Sure.

1300
02:22:56.440 --> 02:22:57.300
John Compton: All right.

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02:22:57.300 --> 02:22:59.750
Jean Moyer: I have done that at my end.

1302
02:23:00.010 --> 02:23:03.410
Jean Moyer: on this… Different version of the budget.

1303
02:23:03.550 --> 02:23:05.750
Jean Moyer: Alright, RASIC?

1304
02:23:05.890 --> 02:23:08.209
Jean Moyer: Are we ready? Are we done with the lake?

1305
02:23:09.190 --> 02:23:13.189
Jean Moyer: Okay, Rasek, I know there was a request to have

1306
02:23:13.320 --> 02:23:22.230
Jean Moyer: 10,000 on the, education services that did not make it into this draft, and it is there now.

1307
02:23:22.740 --> 02:23:26.470
Jean Moyer: Any other… Comment?

1308
02:23:30.020 --> 02:23:31.130
John Compton: Barbara.

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02:23:31.130 --> 02:23:32.049
Barbara: Wait, where is it?

1310
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Jean Moyer: In case… in, line 262, as you had commented, this particular draft did not have $10,000 in the proposed budget.

1311
02:23:44.950 --> 02:23:45.750
Barbara: Right.

1312
02:23:45.750 --> 02:23:47.640
Jean Moyer: So, it has now been changed.

1313
02:23:48.360 --> 02:23:49.699
Barbara: Oh, okay, thank you.

1314
02:23:50.080 --> 02:23:52.659
John Compton: Well, I want to know what the 10,000 is for.

1315
02:23:52.660 --> 02:23:53.920
Peter Nagrod: Right. So…

1316
02:23:54.820 --> 02:23:55.360
Barbara: So…

1317
02:23:55.360 --> 02:23:57.439
John Compton: Why, why, why, why increase it?

1318
02:23:58.200 --> 02:24:07.919
Barbara: So, this $5,000, currently, we have a proposal from Leadership Montgomery

1319
02:24:07.920 --> 02:24:25.020
Barbara: That is, $5,000 if we do everything a certain way. Like, if we ball up 4 different phases into one contract, it would normally be $5,500, but they're giving us a discount to $500… to $5,000.

1320
02:24:25.150 --> 02:24:26.120
Barbara: But…

1321
02:24:26.500 --> 02:24:41.870
Barbara: we decided that we… we're not really sure we want to sign a contract for all four of those phases at once. So if we end up separating them all out, right off the bat, you have $5,500, which this would not cover.

1322
02:24:41.910 --> 02:24:58.649
Barbara: And the additional amount would just cover any other kind of contingencies of any plans that were made throughout the year. But I did talk with Paula and Patty, and we did feel like maybe $10,000 isn't quite necessary, but how about $8,000?

1323
02:25:04.880 --> 02:25:09.670
John Compton: Alright, so that anticipates… Going ahead with the…

1324
02:25:10.310 --> 02:25:14.990
John Compton: Something resembling the proposed, comprehensive plan.

1325
02:25:18.500 --> 02:25:19.170
John Compton: proposed.

1326
02:25:19.700 --> 02:25:20.390
Barbara: Nice.

1327
02:25:20.390 --> 02:25:22.660
Jean Moyer: I have changed it to 8.

1328
02:25:22.750 --> 02:25:23.770
Barbara: Thank you.

1329
02:25:25.010 --> 02:25:38.080
Jean Moyer: On our insurance, liability and property, I was advised by Legit to just add 10%. I have requested from them

1330
02:25:38.270 --> 02:25:45.499
Jean Moyer: Last year, I was informed by them that Due on their error.

1331
02:25:45.760 --> 02:25:49.749
Jean Moyer: For the last 10 years, the town had been undercharged.

1332
02:25:50.100 --> 02:25:55.480
Jean Moyer: And they were phasing in the increase over 2 years.

1333
02:25:55.760 --> 02:26:01.519
Jean Moyer: So, the increase that we paid this current fiscal year is half of that.

1334
02:26:01.980 --> 02:26:06.200
Jean Moyer: And when I was at their renewal workshop last week.

1335
02:26:06.590 --> 02:26:11.830
Jean Moyer: I asked, so, does this 10% incorporate that

1336
02:26:12.030 --> 02:26:17.219
Jean Moyer: Last part of our little bump-up, because we're in this unusual cohort.

1337
02:26:17.340 --> 02:26:35.930
Jean Moyer: He said no. So, I have sent an email, on Friday. I have… I'm waiting for an answer to get the exact number of what our insurance should be. I don't have it yet. The best I can go on is the increasing by 10%.

1338
02:26:36.550 --> 02:26:44.009
Jean Moyer: we've been lucky for 10 years that we were undercharged, and

1339
02:26:45.680 --> 02:26:49.469
Jean Moyer: Anyway, so, that's the insurance.

1340
02:26:49.690 --> 02:27:03.720
Jean Moyer: When we get down into miscellaneous, we do, at the end of every fiscal year, we send a $1,000 donation to the Gaithersburg Washington Grove Volunteer Fire Department.

1341
02:27:06.520 --> 02:27:15.900
Peter Nagrod: Would we want to think about, since we do that every year, would we want to think about maybe increasing them a little bit? They come through here pretty regularly.

1342
02:27:15.900 --> 02:27:17.720
John Compton: Yes, I praised it.

1343
02:27:17.720 --> 02:27:31.879
Jean Moyer: We have. Two years ago, it was $500. A year ago, fiscal 25, I bumped it up to $750. This fiscal year's gone up to $1,000. So, over the course of 2 years, we have doubled it.

1344
02:27:31.880 --> 02:27:32.850
Peter Nagrod: Oh, okay.

1345
02:27:33.280 --> 02:27:33.970
John Compton: We're doing that.

1346
02:27:34.300 --> 02:27:34.780
Peter Nagrod: Okay.

1347
02:27:34.780 --> 02:27:36.539
John Compton: thought, Peter, we had the same thought.

1348
02:27:36.540 --> 02:27:37.050
Jean Moyer: Yep.

1349
02:27:37.650 --> 02:27:38.290
Jean Moyer: Oh.

1350
02:27:38.290 --> 02:27:40.630
Peter Nagrod: I don't want to see my house catch fire.

1351
02:27:41.500 --> 02:27:47.919
Jean Moyer: We already discussed this cable TV fee donation,

1352
02:27:48.400 --> 02:27:51.579
Jean Moyer: I assume that that is an okay thing now.

1353
02:27:51.970 --> 02:28:06.529
Jean Moyer: The contingency is kind of a whatever comes up type of thing. Typically, I looked into it the last time we had Michael Swift come in on parliamentary stuff.

1354
02:28:06.640 --> 02:28:21.599
Jean Moyer: It was recorded in this cost category, and Oberba, I think you were the one, or somebody had suggested we bring him back in. So, I'm making sure that we have that covered down here.

1355
02:28:21.600 --> 02:28:22.130
Peter Nagrod: Good.

1356
02:28:22.360 --> 02:28:23.510
Barbara: Thank you.

1357
02:28:24.220 --> 02:28:30.609
Jean Moyer: Yep. Payroll taxes and Social Security, that just totally feeds from salaries.

1358
02:28:31.260 --> 02:28:36.499
Jean Moyer: On the town share of health insurance for the…

1359
02:28:37.890 --> 02:28:47.880
Jean Moyer: Town clerk, manager, person coming, to be determined, because… We only have one…

1360
02:28:48.240 --> 02:28:53.269
Jean Moyer: staff person. One person does not constitute group.

1361
02:28:53.840 --> 02:28:56.470
Jean Moyer: We cannot get group health.

1362
02:28:56.840 --> 02:28:58.640
Jean Moyer: with one person.

1363
02:28:59.300 --> 02:29:07.510
Jean Moyer: So, all we can do is say, hey, here's some money to help you get money, you know, insurance on the marketplace.

1364
02:29:07.720 --> 02:29:20.490
Jean Moyer: Or, some sort of health, savings account, account, that type of thing. And so this was left blank because that was not decided, how we were going to handle that.

1365
02:29:20.650 --> 02:29:23.570
Jean Moyer: How much we might offer?

1366
02:29:23.870 --> 02:29:27.249
Jean Moyer: Somebody, coming on board.

1367
02:29:28.940 --> 02:29:35.700
Jean Moyer: So, I see on here, John has proposed perhaps we can offer $1,000 a month?

1368
02:29:36.220 --> 02:29:42.990
Jean Moyer: The… the arrangement we have been… we had…

1369
02:29:43.220 --> 02:29:50.439
Jean Moyer: with the group Health back in the day, was we… the town paid, 75% of the premium.

1370
02:29:51.310 --> 02:30:01.799
Jean Moyer: And the employee picked up 25%. And, that's… that's how we went.

1371
02:30:01.970 --> 02:30:13.749
Jean Moyer: But now it's more difficult, and so we… we need to get more creative and think outside the box as to how we're going to provide this.

1372
02:30:14.640 --> 02:30:22.570
Jean Moyer: I can put in a budget of $12,000, and we can just say that we'll figure out how.

1373
02:30:22.680 --> 02:30:27.970
Jean Moyer: We are going to award this, offer this to a new candidate.

1374
02:30:28.240 --> 02:30:35.800
Jean Moyer: The mechanics of administering it, if we get, like an HSA or something like that, that is a…

1375
02:30:35.910 --> 02:30:48.150
Jean Moyer: a program, an account with an outside firm that I will have to administer. Just as I administer the retirement benefit, we have a…

1376
02:30:48.250 --> 02:30:59.660
Jean Moyer: a company called Mission, that we, we match a dollar for dollar up to 5% that a candidate puts in.

1377
02:30:59.870 --> 02:31:11.629
Jean Moyer: to the 401K that they offer. And so every month, I'm moving money, for both their contribution and our match into that,

1378
02:31:11.800 --> 02:31:17.329
Jean Moyer: program. So this would be a similar type of thing, where we have to come up with

1379
02:31:17.630 --> 02:31:22.710
Jean Moyer: An administrative way of… of handling that, or…

1380
02:31:22.990 --> 02:31:28.329
Jean Moyer: We give them a subsidy, and that becomes taxable income to them.

1381
02:31:29.450 --> 02:31:31.469
Jean Moyer: So, it… it…

1382
02:31:31.680 --> 02:31:45.750
Jean Moyer: We could go a super easy route, we just give them some taxable extra subsidy, or we go the more complicated route of actually setting up some sort of administrative program,

1383
02:31:46.240 --> 02:31:51.010
Jean Moyer: So… The details of that have yet to be figured out.

1384
02:31:53.220 --> 02:31:57.710
Jean Moyer: So, for the budget, John is proposing perhaps $1,000 a month.

1385
02:31:58.890 --> 02:32:01.009
Jean Moyer: Coming out of the town's pocket.

1386
02:32:01.010 --> 02:32:02.909
John Compton: what we had for Kathy, so…

1387
02:32:02.910 --> 02:32:03.490
Jean Moyer: Yep.

1388
02:32:09.090 --> 02:32:11.390
Jean Moyer: And that's certainly up to the Council.

1389
02:32:13.310 --> 02:32:25.069
Barbara: So, this is Barbara… so, doesn't it kind of depend on what the new person wants or needs? Because we don't… they could possibly have insurance through a spouse, so…

1390
02:32:25.370 --> 02:32:30.990
Barbara: I mean, I think it's fair to put this in there as a placeholder, and then negotiate that with the new person.

1391
02:32:31.400 --> 02:32:32.110
Jean Moyer: Yes.

1392
02:32:32.760 --> 02:32:33.510
Jean Moyer: Yes.

1393
02:32:33.510 --> 02:32:36.920
John Compton: Yeah, of course, this is a budgeting… number.

1394
02:32:37.030 --> 02:32:43.549
John Compton: Yeah, we… best of all possible worlds is they're already covered on a family health, plan, but…

1395
02:32:44.780 --> 02:32:45.850
John Compton: On the other…

1396
02:32:46.120 --> 02:32:52.109
John Compton: On the other end of the spectrum is they need to go out and get health insurance, and it's gonna cost, so…

1397
02:32:53.410 --> 02:32:54.110
John Compton: Yeah.

1398
02:32:55.540 --> 02:32:57.250
John Compton: It depends on the individual.

1399
02:32:57.720 --> 02:32:58.250
Jean Moyer: Yep.

1400
02:32:58.400 --> 02:33:15.659
Jean Moyer: But just as we budgeted, you know, for the new position, we had a range, we budgeted the top of the range. If we put $12,000 in here, we say that's, like, the maximum that the town's willing to put forth.

1401
02:33:19.150 --> 02:33:20.790
Jean Moyer: Whether we spend it or not.

1402
02:33:27.820 --> 02:33:33.440
John Compton: All right, well, for tonight, why don't you put in 12, and everybody can think about it, and…

1403
02:33:33.960 --> 02:33:36.809
John Compton: There's one more, at least one more chance to alter.

1404
02:33:37.020 --> 02:33:48.740
Jean Moyer: Yeah, and the line below the retirement thing, that's just math, you know, one to one. If they put in 5%, we have to put in… we have to match up to the 5%.

1405
02:33:48.740 --> 02:33:49.080
Peter Nagrod: Nope.

1406
02:33:49.720 --> 02:33:51.899
Jean Moyer: That would be the maximum.

1407
02:33:52.180 --> 02:33:58.930
Jean Moyer: If they did the 5% at the maximum salary, that's the maximum we would put in, so…

1408
02:33:59.530 --> 02:34:09.360
Jean Moyer: So you get to the total expenses, the note there that says, missing the health insurance to be determined. We have now determined that.

1409
02:34:09.700 --> 02:34:20.800
Jean Moyer: So, I, on my end, I am seeing 1,222

1410
02:34:21.250 --> 02:34:31.840
Jean Moyer: 600, basically. The changes we have made tonight bump that up by 70,000, basically.

1411
02:34:33.750 --> 02:34:40.620
Jean Moyer: And the expenses expected to be reimbursed by the Maryland Playground Group, that will change.

1412
02:34:41.130 --> 02:34:46.020
Jean Moyer: So…

1413
02:34:47.940 --> 02:34:57.909
Jean Moyer: Did anybody have any questions on the notes? I know we're all extremely tired and ready to be done with this meeting.

1414
02:34:58.780 --> 02:35:04.149
Jean Moyer: But… Just giving folks a chance.

1415
02:35:04.780 --> 02:35:06.280
John Compton: Well, there's this item.

1416
02:35:08.270 --> 02:35:14.700
John Compton: the border property acquisition. We're not talking about the fund balances tonight.

1417
02:35:15.120 --> 02:35:16.010
Jean Moyer: No.

1418
02:35:16.010 --> 02:35:17.740
John Compton: We'll do that on… in April.

1419
02:35:17.740 --> 02:35:18.570
Jean Moyer: April.

1420
02:35:18.960 --> 02:35:20.450
John Compton: That's where this comes in.

1421
02:35:23.480 --> 02:35:24.030
Jean Moyer: Yep.

1422
02:35:26.610 --> 02:35:27.290
Peter Nagrod: Don't get it.

1423
02:35:31.380 --> 02:35:32.320
John Compton: Okay.

1424
02:35:32.650 --> 02:35:34.889
Jean Moyer: Are we all brain dead now?

1425
02:35:35.030 --> 02:35:35.570
Peter Nagrod: Yes.

1426
02:35:36.230 --> 02:35:37.900
Robert Gilmore: Gene, tremendous work.

1427
02:35:39.710 --> 02:35:40.779
Jean Moyer: All right.

1428
02:35:40.780 --> 02:35:42.010
Robert Gilmore: Fantastic job.

1429
02:35:43.010 --> 02:35:56.339
Jean Moyer: I do want to point out, at the very, very, very, very bottom of that, John, I did, at your request, put together, if anybody wanted to know, at the bottom, below the notes, if you keep down there,

1430
02:35:58.700 --> 02:36:05.579
Jean Moyer: we thought it would be helpful, to… to know this.

1431
02:36:05.770 --> 02:36:10.490
Jean Moyer: Any resident might like to know,

1432
02:36:10.590 --> 02:36:21.340
Jean Moyer: Total salaries for year-round staff, that would be the clerk, manager, whatever, myself, and our janitor.

1433
02:36:21.660 --> 02:36:29.450
Jean Moyer: And then what I call the seasonal staff, which is, a growing list of

1434
02:36:30.490 --> 02:36:43.049
Jean Moyer: young people, we've got lifeguards, we've got counselors, we've got tennis court maintenance people, we've got tree waterers now, it's quite active in the morning. Hiring is…

1435
02:36:43.910 --> 02:36:47.190
Jean Moyer: Quite a… process.

1436
02:36:50.910 --> 02:36:55.310
Jean Moyer: So, this includes taxes and,

1437
02:36:56.010 --> 02:37:01.060
Jean Moyer: On the year-round staff, the benefits are really only on the

1438
02:37:01.170 --> 02:37:08.470
Jean Moyer: clerk slash manager. The janitor and myself are only payroll taxes.

1439
02:37:11.120 --> 02:37:14.120
Jean Moyer: Just as a, interesting tidbit.

1440
02:37:14.840 --> 02:37:19.419
Jean Moyer: We've never supplied that bit of information in one place before.

1441
02:37:19.420 --> 02:37:20.140
Peter Nagrod: No.

1442
02:37:20.670 --> 02:37:21.360
Jean Moyer: Alright!

1443
02:37:24.530 --> 02:37:25.210
Jean Moyer: That's it.

1444
02:37:27.720 --> 02:37:29.859
John Compton: Well, that would,

1445
02:37:31.030 --> 02:37:39.440
John Compton: We also… I put in the capital improvement plan in there, which I hope… well, you're gonna see it again.

1446
02:37:39.600 --> 02:37:46.400
John Compton: Before the next meeting. That's where we try and anticipate our major expenses.

1447
02:37:46.760 --> 02:37:50.760
John Compton: Like, dredging the lake? That's a big one.

1448
02:37:51.320 --> 02:37:55.270
John Compton: You know, unfortunately, we didn't have the tennis court

1449
02:37:55.570 --> 02:37:58.829
John Compton: issues. By the way, I'm… I'm…

1450
02:37:59.070 --> 02:38:04.020
John Compton: It appears that the tennis court has never been replaced.

1451
02:38:05.420 --> 02:38:13.109
John Compton: Unless somebody else… has better memory, or we can consult… I haven't asked Jolie or Charlie.

1452
02:38:13.240 --> 02:38:16.560
John Compton: But it may be the original,

1453
02:38:16.710 --> 02:38:20.109
John Compton: Installation, which is a hell of a lifetime.

1454
02:38:21.240 --> 02:38:23.200
John Compton: For one of those… for that… that…

1455
02:38:23.330 --> 02:38:30.170
John Compton: piece of equipment. So, maybe it's reasonable we hadn't budgeted… we hadn't Planned a replacement.

1456
02:38:30.430 --> 02:38:39.999
John Compton: But we try to anticipate these sort of things, so it… the more… the more heads, the better, who think about where the town may need to spend money.

1457
02:38:41.200 --> 02:38:41.850
John Compton: future.

1458
02:38:45.040 --> 02:38:49.670
John Compton: Like the sprinkler system, we all could have… Yeah, I'm…

1459
02:38:50.280 --> 02:38:55.310
John Compton: Joking, you know, that one we missed, too, but… Alright.

1460
02:38:55.730 --> 02:38:59.129
John Compton: Okay, I think that, is… does it.

1461
02:38:59.130 --> 02:39:05.540
Jean Moyer: And the capital plan will be modified now that we've changed, like, the playground stuff.

1462
02:39:08.540 --> 02:39:14.410
John Compton: Okay, did we… well, you didn't comment on the bottom line, we'll do that next month.

1463
02:39:14.610 --> 02:39:16.559
John Compton: Alright, just to close out.

1464
02:39:16.860 --> 02:39:23.140
John Compton: The next meetings, the next council meeting's on Monday, April 13th. It will be virtual again.

1465
02:39:23.270 --> 02:39:31.520
John Compton: And the meeting after that will be the annual town meeting on May 9th.

1466
02:39:31.660 --> 02:39:35.030
John Compton: at, at, 2 o'clock.

1467
02:39:35.210 --> 02:39:38.229
John Compton: After the election from 10 to 1.

1468
02:39:38.480 --> 02:39:39.140
John Compton: In person.

1469
02:39:39.140 --> 02:39:42.200
Peter Nagrod: And that'll be in the town hall?

1470
02:39:42.200 --> 02:39:43.530
John Compton: in the town hall.

1471
02:39:44.270 --> 02:39:47.060
Peter Nagrod: And it'll be a hybrid, right? Or…

1472
02:39:47.060 --> 02:39:51.699
John Compton: Yes, it'll be a hybrid, and hopefully we'll have a ceiling.

1473
02:39:53.100 --> 02:39:56.700
John Compton: The lakes. Yeah. And that sort of stuff.

1474
02:39:57.220 --> 02:39:58.080
John Compton: Alright.

1475
02:39:59.290 --> 02:40:05.110
John Compton: If anybody has anything else to say, you can. Otherwise, we can move to adjourn.

1476
02:40:05.350 --> 02:40:06.340
Peter Nagrod: Yeah.

1477
02:40:06.340 --> 02:40:07.100
Kathy Lehman: Thank you, Jim.

1478
02:40:07.100 --> 02:40:07.930
marywarfield: Right.

1479
02:40:08.100 --> 02:40:08.970
Peter Nagrod: Good meeting.

1480
02:40:08.970 --> 02:40:09.430
marywarfield: Imaging.

1481
02:40:09.430 --> 02:40:10.239
John Porter: Thank you.

1482
02:40:10.240 --> 02:40:11.389
Robert Gilmore: Thank you, Jane. Excellent work.

1483
02:40:11.390 --> 02:40:12.260
marywarfield: Good night, everybody.

1484
02:40:12.260 --> 02:40:12.839
Barbara: Thank you, Jim.

1485
02:40:12.840 --> 02:40:13.270
John Porter: Right.

1486
02:40:13.270 --> 02:40:14.850
Barbara: Thanks, everybody. Good night.

1487
02:40:16.910 --> 02:40:18.640
Kathy Lehman: I can hear the snoring now.